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Rajan Walker

Why are gambling losses deductible on taxes when the government usually discourages gambling?

I've been doing my taxes and noticed something that seems contradictory to me. Usually the government creates itemized deductions for things they want to encourage people to do (like donating to charity, homeownership stuff, educational expenses, etc.), so I'm confused about why they allow gambling losses to be deducted up to the amount of winnings. Wouldn't the government want to discourage gambling rather than creating a tax break for it? It seems weird that they'd give any kind of tax benefit related to gambling activities when they generally seem to want to limit it. I'm not complaining about the deduction since I had some casino losses this year (along with some wins), but the policy just seems inconsistent with how other deductions work. Anyone know the actual reasoning behind this? I'm genuinely curious about the tax policy logic here!

The gambling loss deduction isn't actually designed as an incentive like charitable contributions or mortgage interest. It's based on a different tax principle - the government wants to tax net income, not gross receipts. If you win $5,000 gambling but lose $4,000 in the same year, your actual economic gain is only $1,000. Without the gambling loss deduction, you'd be taxed on the full $5,000 even though you only benefited by $1,000. The deduction recognizes this reality, but with important limitations - you can only deduct losses up to the amount of your winnings, and only if you itemize deductions. It's also worth noting that professional gamblers report on Schedule C where they can directly offset losses against winnings as a business expense, while casual gamblers must use itemized deductions which many taxpayers don't even qualify for anymore with the higher standard deduction.

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This makes sense for professional gamblers, but what about regular people? I thought gambling was considered a "hobby" and hobby expenses aren't deductible anymore after the 2017 tax changes. Why does gambling get special treatment compared to other hobbies where you can't deduct losses?

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You're right that hobby expenses were eliminated by the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, but gambling losses were specifically preserved as an exception. This is because gambling winnings are fully taxable as income, so Congress maintained the ability to deduct losses against those winnings to prevent taxation on money you didn't actually get to keep. Other hobbies don't typically generate taxable income in the same direct way - if you sell crafts occasionally, you report that income, but the IRS views gambling differently because every winning transaction is technically taxable income even if you had net losses overall.

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Avery Davis

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Does it work for sports betting too? I've been using DraftKings and FanDuel all year and have some wins but way more losses. Do they send tax forms, and would this help me figure out how to deduct my losses?

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I'm skeptical about tax tools. How is this different from TurboTax or FreeTaxUSA which also explain deductions? Does it actually give advice specific to your situation or just general info you could find on Google?

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Gabriel Ruiz

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I think there's another reason gambling losses are deductible that nobody mentioned yet. The government does actually get tax revenue from gambling in many ways - states run lotteries, gambling establishments pay taxes, etc. If people couldn't deduct losses against winnings, they might gamble less overall, which would reduce those revenue streams. So while they might not want to "encourage" gambling per se, they don't want to completely discourage it either because it's a significant revenue source. Also, think about professional poker players or people who make a living gambling - without the ability to deduct losses, their tax burden would be completely unrealistic compared to their actual income.

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That's an interesting point, but isn't that kind of shady? It's like the government acknowledging "we know this activity isn't great for society, but we want our cut of the money so we'll make the tax policy more favorable." Do you think that's really a factor in how they decided on the policy?

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Gabriel Ruiz

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I don't know if I'd call it shady - it's more like pragmatic. The government takes a similar approach with alcohol and tobacco - they tax these products heavily rather than prohibiting them. They recognize people will gamble regardless, so they create a tax framework that's somewhat fair while ensuring they get revenue. The gambling industry also employs a lot of people and generates economic activity. The tax code reflects this complex reality rather than taking a purely moral stance. Plus, the limitation that you can only deduct losses up to the amount of winnings ensures that nobody gets a tax benefit from losing more than they win.

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Peyton Clarke

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Has anyone successfully deducted gambling losses without keeping detailed records? I've got about $8,000 in documented winnings from a few big poker tournaments (received W-2Gs), but I probably lost $10,000+ throughout the year in smaller cash games and tournaments that I didn't track carefully. I'm worried if I claim losses equal to my winnings, I'll get flagged for an audit. But it seems unfair to pay taxes on $8,000 when I actually lost money gambling overall this year!

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Vince Eh

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You absolutely need documentation. I got audited 2 years ago specifically for gambling deductions. Without a detailed log showing dates, locations, type of gambling, and amounts, the IRS disallowed all my loss deductions. They don't accept vague estimates or "I probably lost more than I won." Remember, you're legally required to report ALL gambling winnings as income, even small amounts without W-2Gs. Then you can deduct losses (if you itemize) up to the amount of winnings. But without proper records, you're asking for trouble.

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Andre Dupont

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The IRS requires contemporaneous records for gambling losses - meaning you need to document them as they happen, not reconstruct them later. Bank statements, credit card records, and receipts can help support your case, but they're not sufficient by themselves. If you're serious about gambling and plan to continue, I'd recommend starting a gambling diary immediately for next year. Include date, location, type of game, people present, and amounts won/lost for each session. Many people use smartphone apps or simple spreadsheets to track this. For this year, you can only deduct what you can reasonably document. It's better to be conservative and avoid audit risk than to claim losses you can't prove. The IRS specifically looks for gambling loss deductions that equal or are close to reported winnings as potential audit flags. Consider consulting a tax professional who has experience with gambling taxes - they can help you navigate this situation properly while minimizing audit risk.

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This is really helpful advice, thank you! I had no idea that the IRS specifically flags gambling loss deductions that match or are close to reported winnings. That explains why I should be more conservative this year. Do you happen to know what percentage of gambling loss deductions typically get audited? I'm trying to weigh the risk of claiming what I can reasonably document versus just paying the full tax on my winnings to avoid any potential issues.

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