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Savannah Glover

When to Deduct ERC Credit Consulting Fees for Amended S-Corp Returns 2020/2021?

I shelled out a hefty sum to a consulting firm to help my S-Corporation claim the Employee Retention Credits for 2020 and 2021. We finally got our ERC refunds in 2023, but now I'm wondering about the proper year to deduct the fees I paid to these consultants. Is this something I can allocate back to tax years 2020 and 2021 on the amended returns, or since I'm on a cash basis, do I need to deduct these fees in 2023 when I actually paid them and received the refunds? The fees were about 15% of the total recovery amount, so we're talking about a significant deduction. Anyone dealt with this ERC situation for an S-Corp before? The IRS guidance seems unclear about the timing of deducting professional fees for amended returns specifically related to ERC credits.

Felix Grigori

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The timing of your deduction depends on your S-Corp's accounting method. Since you mentioned cash basis, you would generally deduct the expense in the year you actually paid the fees to the consulting firm. If you paid the fees in 2022 (as your original post indicated), then that's when you'd deduct them - not in the years the ERC credits relate to (2020/2021). Similarly, if you paid them in 2023, you'd deduct them on your 2023 return. The fact that the fees were for amending prior year returns doesn't change when you can take the deduction. Just remember that the fee reduction might partially offset the benefit of the ERC credits, but you're still coming out ahead by the net amount. Make sure to properly document both the receipt of the ERC credits and the payment of the consultant fees.

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Felicity Bud

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But isn't there some rule about expenses directly related to tax refunds having to be allocated to the same period? I thought I read something about capitalizing costs associated with refund claims and offsetting them against the refund amount rather than taking them as a separate deduction.

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Felix Grigori

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The general rule for cash basis taxpayers is that you deduct expenses in the year paid, regardless of what period they relate to. There are some complex rules around capitalizing certain costs, but for professional fees paid to obtain a refund like ERC, you'd typically deduct them when paid. The IRS does have special rules for certain recovery expenses, but these professional fees for ERC claims would typically be deducted on your Schedule C or business tax return in the year you paid them, not allocated back to the original tax years.

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Max Reyes

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How does this AI thing work exactly? I've got a similar situation but with R&D credits rather than ERC. Would it help with that too? I'm confused how an AI would know the specific tax codes about these kinds of specialty deductions.

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Adrian Connor

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I'm a bit skeptical about AI tax advice. Did you have an actual tax pro review the recommendations? My experience with ERC mills is that they take a huge cut then leave you hanging with all the compliance headaches. Did this service actually help with the amended returns or just the fee deduction question?

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Max Reyes

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Lilly Curtis

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Lilly Curtis

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Leo Simmons

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Another important thing to consider with ERC is that you had to reduce your wage deductions by the amount of the credit, which impacts your S-Corp's income (and potentially your flow-through). Have you already filed amended returns that account for this wage expense reduction? This is separate from the consulting fee question, but it's a common oversight that causes headaches later. The IRS has been heavily scrutinizing ERC claims lately.

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Yes, the amended returns already accounted for the wage deduction reduction. The consulting firm actually handled that part correctly, reducing the wage expenses for the quarters we claimed the ERC. My main concern was just the timing of deducting their fees, which were substantial (around $43,000 on a $285,000 ERC claim). Based on everyone's feedback, it sounds like I'll deduct them in 2023 when they were actually paid, rather than trying to amend the 2020/2021 returns again to include them.

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Leo Simmons

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That's good to hear! So many ERC companies miss that wage reduction part. And yes, deducting in 2023 when paid is the correct approach for a cash basis S-Corp. No need to complicate things by trying to amend the already amended returns. One other thing to keep in mind is that the IRS announced increased scrutiny of ERC claims, so keep all your documentation organized including proof of business impact during COVID that qualified you for the credits. They're doing a lot of audits on these claims, especially the larger ones.

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Lindsey Fry

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Has anyone else had their ERC amended returns rejected? I filed mine with help from one of those ERC specialty firms, and the IRS rejected everything saying we didn't qualify. Now the firm is saying they don't provide audit support unless I pay additional fees! Total nightmare.

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Saleem Vaziri

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Sorry to hear that. What was the reason they gave for rejection? Was it related to the partial/full shutdown requirement or the gross receipts test? Many of these ERC mills were approving everyone regardless of whether they truly qualified under the rules.

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