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Caesar Grant

What's the difference between a W9 and W2 for new employment? Help needed!

I need some tax advice from fellow redditors! I just received a job offer from this company that wants me to start on Monday. They seem like a great team and the workplace vibes were awesome during my interview. Here's the issue - they just emailed me a W9 form to fill out. During my interview, there was no mention of this at all. I was under the impression I'd be a regular employee getting a W2 with taxes withheld. The position pays $27/hr for about 20-25 hours per week. I've done contract work with a W9 before and honestly hated dealing with the tax situation at year end. I wasn't prepared for how much I owed and it was super stressful. Is there a significant difference between W9 and W2 status with this hourly rate and weekly hours? Should this be a deal-breaker for the job? The job requires me to be in their office, so the only deduction I could really use would be mileage for commuting. Any advice would be appreciated!

Lena Schultz

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This is actually an important distinction that many employers get wrong or deliberately blur. A W9 means they're treating you as an independent contractor (1099 worker), not an employee (W2). This is a significant difference. As a 1099 worker, you'll be responsible for paying both the employee AND employer portions of Social Security and Medicare taxes (15.3% total instead of 7.65%). You'll also need to make quarterly estimated tax payments since nothing is withheld. The fact that you're required to work in their office is a red flag. The IRS has specific tests for worker classification, and "where you work" is one factor. If they control when, where, and how you work, you're typically considered an employee, not a contractor. Rule of thumb: set aside about 30-35% of your income for taxes as a contractor compared to maybe 20-25% as an employee, depending on your total income.

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Gemma Andrews

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If I'm in this situation, can I ask the employer to switch me to W2 status? Or do I have to accept what they're offering? Also, is the mileage to and from the office actually deductible for a 1099 contractor? I thought commuting wasn't deductible regardless.

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Lena Schultz

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You can absolutely negotiate with them about your classification. Many employers do this to save money (they don't pay their portion of FICA taxes or provide benefits), but it's not always legal. You could say something like "I noticed you're classifying me as an independent contractor. Given that I'll be working in your office on your schedule, I believe I should be classified as an employee. Would you be willing to discuss this?" Regarding mileage, you're correct - regular commuting isn't deductible even for contractors. You can only deduct mileage between business locations or for business errands, not from home to your primary workplace.

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Based on your description, you're likely being misclassified. Here's a quick comparison: W2 employee: taxes withheld, employer pays half of Social Security/Medicare, eligible for benefits, unemployment W9/1099 contractor: no withholding, pay both halves of SS/Medicare (additional 7.65%), no benefits, no unemployment For $27/hr at 25 hrs/week, that's about $35,100 annually. As a contractor, expect to set aside about $10,500-12,000 for taxes. As an employee, you'd have about $7,000-8,500 withheld. The difference is roughly $3,000-4,000 annually in additional tax burden, plus no benefits or job security.

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Caesar Grant

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Thanks for breaking this down! Do you think it's still worth taking the job if they won't budge on the W9? Should I ask for a higher hourly rate to compensate for the additional tax burden?

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If they won't classify you properly, you should absolutely negotiate a higher rate. A good rule of thumb is to add at least 25-30% to what you'd accept as a W2 employee to account for the additional taxes and lack of benefits. For your situation, if $27/hr was fair as a W2 employee, you should be asking for around $34-35/hr as a contractor. Also keep in mind you'll need to set aside money for taxes yourself since nothing will be withheld - setting up a separate savings account for this purpose can help. One other thing to consider - if the job truly does control when and where you work, they're likely violating IRS rules. You might want to take the job while looking for something better, but be aware it could create complications at tax time.

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Demi Lagos

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A quick tip if you do take this job - I make a deduction worksheet for all 1099 work. Track mileage between work sites (not commuting), any supplies you buy, portion of phone/internet if you use them for work, professional subscriptions, software, etc. Keep ALL receipts, take photos of them with your phone right away (they fade!). Also track any home office space if you do some work from home.

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Mason Lopez

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This is good advice! I use an app called Everlance to track all my business expenses and mileage. It's like $8/month but worth it because it categorizes everything for tax time. Saved me hours of sorting through receipts.

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Just wanted to add another perspective here - I was in almost the exact same situation last year (required to work in their office, set schedule, but given a W9). After doing some research, I decided to take the job but immediately started documenting everything that showed I was really an employee, not a contractor. Things like: emails about required work hours, office policies I had to follow, equipment they provided, training materials, etc. After 6 months, I filed Form SS-8 with the IRS to get an official determination on my classification. The IRS ruled I was misclassified as a contractor and should have been an employee. Long story short - I got a refund for the extra self-employment taxes I paid, and my employer had to reclassify me and pay their portion of payroll taxes going forward. It was a bit of a process but totally worth it financially. If you take this job, document everything that shows they control how, when, and where you work. It could save you thousands later if you need to challenge the classification.

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Axel Far

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This is really helpful to know! How long did the SS-8 process take from filing to getting a determination? And did your employer give you any pushback when the IRS ruled in your favor, or did they comply pretty quickly? I'm wondering if it's worth the potential workplace tension while the case is pending.

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