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Dmitry Ivanov

What's a Reasonable Interest Rate for 72(t) withdrawals? Need help figuring this out

I'm hitting a wall trying to figure this out. For 72(t) early retirement withdrawals, is there some minimum interest rate I have to use? Currently, the 120% of the Federal interest rate is around 3.9%, which would mean I'd need to take about $39,000 annually from my retirement account. The thing is, I only want to withdraw about $24,000 per year, and I calculated I could get there with a 2% interest rate. Does anyone know if there's a way to do this? Is there a floor on what interest rate you can use for calculating your 72(t) distributions? I've been searching for clear answers but haven't found anything definitive.

The short answer is yes, there is a minimum interest rate you need to use for 72(t) calculations. The IRS doesn't let you just pick any rate you want - they set boundaries to prevent people from manipulating the system. For 72(t) SEPP (Substantially Equal Periodic Payments) plans, you must use a reasonable interest rate that doesn't exceed 120% of the federal mid-term rate. This is a ceiling, not a floor. However, the interest rate you choose must be "reasonable" according to the IRS, which generally means you can't go too low either. The problem with using a very low rate like 2% is that it might trigger IRS scrutiny since it could appear you're trying to circumvent the rules. Most financial advisors recommend staying within a reasonable range of current market rates.

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So there's no specific minimum percentage stated anywhere? Like, could someone hypothetically use 1% if that matched their withdrawal needs?

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There's no explicitly stated minimum percentage in the tax code. The key word is "reasonable" - the IRS expects you to use a rate that reflects realistic market conditions. Using an extremely low rate like 1% in today's environment would likely raise red flags during an audit because it's clearly below market rates. Most practitioners recommend staying somewhere between 2-5% depending on current conditions, but closer to the mid-term federal rate is safer. Remember that once you set up your 72(t) plan, you're locked into those payments for 5 years or until age 59½, whichever is longer.

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That sounds really helpful. Did it give you specific advice on what interest rate you could use? I'm in the same boat as OP - need to keep my withdrawals lower.

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I'm skeptical. How does this service know better than a financial advisor? Did they actually provide some kind of documentation you could use if the IRS questions your calculation?

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Have you considered splitting your retirement accounts? You could set up a 72(t) on just a portion of your IRA, which would reduce the required distribution. For example, if you have $1M, you could move $600K to a separate IRA and set up the 72(t) on just that account. This is completely legal and might get you closer to your target withdrawal amount.

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I hadn't thought of that. So I could basically move part of my IRA to a separate account, set up the 72(t) on that smaller amount, and that would reduce the required withdrawal? Would I be able to access the other portion after 59.5 without penalty?

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Yes, exactly! You can split your IRA into multiple accounts before starting a 72(t) plan. You'd only set up the SEPP on one of those accounts, which would calculate a smaller required distribution based on that account's balance. The remaining IRA funds would still be subject to normal retirement account rules - meaning you couldn't access them before 59.5 without penalty (unless you qualify for another exception). But the benefit is you're only "locking in" the portion you put under the 72(t) plan, giving you more flexibility with the rest of your retirement savings down the road.

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Has anyone here used the RMD method instead of amortization? I've heard it can result in lower initial payments but they increase over time.

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The RMD method typically gives you the lowest initial withdrawal amounts, which sounds like what OP wants. However, you're right that the distributions increase over time as you age. The calculation divides your account balance by a life expectancy factor from the IRS tables. If you're relatively young when starting your 72(t), this can result in smaller initial payments. The downside is you can't manually adjust the interest rate like with the amortization method - you're strictly using the IRS life expectancy tables.

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Thanks for explaining! That makes sense. I'm 52 now, so I'd need these distributions to remain fairly stable for at least 7.5 years until I hit 59.5. Sounds like the increasing nature of the RMD method might not be ideal for my situation.

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I'm dealing with a similar situation and want to add some perspective based on my recent experience. The key thing to understand is that while there's no explicit minimum interest rate in the tax code, the IRS requires the rate be "reasonable" - which creates a practical floor based on current market conditions. I was also trying to get my withdrawals down from around $38k to closer to $25k annually. After consulting with a tax attorney who specializes in retirement distributions, I learned that you can generally use rates in the 2.5-3.5% range safely, especially if you can tie them to published rates like Treasury bonds or high-grade corporate bonds. The attorney also suggested looking into the account splitting strategy mentioned by Paolo - this was actually the most effective approach for me. I moved about 65% of my IRA balance to a separate account and only set up the 72(t) on the smaller portion. This got my required distribution down to exactly where I needed it without having to push the interest rate to questionable levels. One word of caution: make sure you get professional help with the calculations and documentation. The penalties for messing up a 72(t) plan are severe - you'll owe the 10% penalty on all distributions you've taken PLUS interest. It's worth paying for proper guidance upfront rather than risking an expensive mistake later.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm new to understanding 72(t) rules and the account splitting strategy sounds like it could be a game-changer for my situation too. When you moved 65% of your IRA to a separate account, did you have to pay any fees or taxes for that transfer? And how long did the whole process take before you could start your distributions? I'm trying to figure out if this approach would work for my timeline since I need to start withdrawals by early next year.

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