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Dmitry Popov

What job title should I put on my taxes if I only made money from stock/options trading but don't qualify for trader tax status?

So this year has been weird for me. I left my regular job last December and spent most of this year just trading stocks and options from home. It wasn't planned to be my only source of income, but I made enough that I didn't need to go back to a regular job. The problem is I'm filing my taxes now and I don't know what to put for occupation. I definitely don't qualify for trader tax status based on everything I've read (not enough trades, not doing it full-time in the IRS's eyes, etc.). But trading stocks and options literally was my only source of income for the entire year. Should I put "investor" or "trader" even though I don't qualify for official trader tax status? Or should I put my previous job title from last year? Or "unemployed" even though I made money? I'm filing Schedule D for capital gains of course, but the occupation field is confusing me. I know this seems like a small thing but I don't want to trigger any red flags with the IRS by putting the wrong occupation when trading was my only income source.

Ava Rodriguez

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You can list "Investor" as your occupation. This is appropriate for someone whose primary income came from investments, even if you don't qualify for trader tax status. The occupation field doesn't determine your tax treatment - your actual filing of Schedule D and reporting capital gains is what matters. The IRS doesn't have a specific definition for what you must put in the occupation field, and "Investor" accurately reflects what you did to generate income. You were investing in securities that generated capital gains. Just make sure you're properly reporting all your trading activity on Schedule D and paying the appropriate capital gains taxes (short-term or long-term depending on how long you held the assets).

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Miguel Ortiz

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Does this affect self-employment taxes at all? Like if someone puts "investor" do they still need to pay self-employment tax on that trading income? I'm in a similar situation as OP.

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Ava Rodriguez

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No, capital gains from investing activities aren't subject to self-employment tax. Self-employment taxes only apply to business income reported on Schedule C. As an investor (without trader tax status), your income is treated as capital gains, not business income. You'll pay the applicable capital gains tax rates, but you won't owe any self-employment tax on these earnings.

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QuantumQuest

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How does it handle options trading specifically? I'm doing mostly options and heard the tax treatment is different from regular stock trades.

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Connor Murphy

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Sounds interesting but can it actually help determine if someone qualifies for trader tax status? I'm doing 100+ trades a week but my accountant is being wishy-washy about whether I qualify.

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Connor Murphy

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Paolo Conti

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Amina Sow

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You might also consider "Self-employed investor" or "Securities investor" if you want to be more specific. I used "Securities investor" last year when I was in between jobs and only had trading income. No issues from the IRS.

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GalaxyGazer

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Is there any downside to being more specific like that? I wonder if certain occupation listings trigger more scrutiny from the IRS?

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Amina Sow

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I haven't experienced any downside to being more specific. The occupation field is primarily for statistical purposes, not for determining how you're taxed. The real scrutiny would come from how you report your trading activity and whether that matches your tax status. For example, if you claim trader tax status but your actual trading patterns don't support it, that could raise flags regardless of what occupation you list.

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Oliver Wagner

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Curious if anyone here has used a tax pro who specializes in traders? I'm getting different answers from different accountants about this exact issue and wondering if its worth paying extra for someone who deals with traders specifically.

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I use a specialist for my taxes (I do about 300-400 trades yearly). Cost me $750 instead of the $250 I used to pay H&R Block, but he saved me over $3k in taxes by properly classifying everything. For trader stuff, a specialist can be worth it if your situation is complex.

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I went through this exact same situation two years ago when I transitioned from a corporate job to full-time trading. After consulting with both a tax attorney and CPA who specializes in securities, here's what I learned: "Investor" is definitely the correct occupation to use. The key distinction is that without trader tax status, your activities are considered investment activities rather than business activities, regardless of how much time you spend or how much income you generate. One important thing to keep in mind - if you're planning to continue this as your primary income source, make sure you're making quarterly estimated tax payments. Since you don't have an employer withholding taxes, you'll likely owe penalties if you don't pay estimated taxes throughout the year. Also, keep detailed records of all your trades and any investment-related expenses (trading platform fees, market data subscriptions, etc.) as these can potentially be deducted, though the rules changed with recent tax law updates. The occupation field really is just for statistical purposes - what matters is accurately reporting your capital gains and losses on Schedule D and Form 8949.

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Emma Taylor

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This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the investment-related expenses you mentioned - are these still deductible as miscellaneous itemized deductions, or did the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act eliminate most of these? I have subscriptions to trading platforms and data feeds that cost me about $2,000 annually, but I wasn't sure if I could still deduct them as an investor rather than a trader.

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