What is a W4 form and why am I paying federal tax twice? Already paid in my paycheck!
So I just tried to file my taxes and I'm super confused. I only submitted my W2 form since that's all my employer provided me. I clearly remember federal taxes being taken out of each paycheck throughout the year. But now after completing my tax return, it says I OWE additional federal income tax! This makes no sense to me. I double checked my last few paystubs and they definitely show federal withholding coming out. But when I look at my employee payroll portal, there's something weird that says "federal income tax is exempt reset." I have absolutely no idea what that means. I feel like I'm being double-taxed here. If I already paid federal taxes through my paychecks, why do I owe more now? And what exactly is a W4 form - is that different from the W2 my job gave me? Filing taxes is seriously the most confusing thing ever and I never seem to get it right.
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PrinceJoe
I can clear this up for you! A W2 and W4 are completely different forms with different purposes. A W4 form is what you fill out when you START a job. It tells your employer how much federal tax to withhold from each paycheck. If you see "federal income tax is exempt reset" in your payroll system, that could mean your W4 was either set to exempt status (meaning no federal taxes were being withheld) or your exemption status was recently reset. A W2 is what your employer provides at tax time showing how much you earned and how much tax was already withheld throughout the year. If you're owing taxes now, it's likely because not enough was being withheld from your paychecks during the year. This happens when your W4 isn't filled out accurately for your situation. You weren't paying twice - you just didn't pay enough the first time through your paychecks.
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Brooklyn Knight
•Wait so if the W4 determines how much is withheld, can I change it anytime? Like if I'm getting too much taken out or not enough? And is there some calculator to figure out the right amount? My HR department never explained any of this.
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PrinceJoe
•Yes, you can update your W4 at any time! The IRS actually recommends reviewing your withholding annually or whenever you have major life changes (marriage, new child, new job, etc). The IRS has a Tax Withholding Estimator tool on their website that can help you figure out the optimal settings. Just search "IRS tax withholding calculator" and it should come up. It's pretty user-friendly and will help you avoid owing a large amount at tax time. Your HR department should be able to provide you with a new W4 form to update your withholding.
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Owen Devar
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Daniel Rivera
•Does it actually work for complicated situations? I have income from a side gig plus my regular job, and I'm always confused about how much extra to withhold.
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Sophie Footman
•Is it free? Sounds like one of those "free analysis" things that tries to upsell you on expensive tax prep services after.
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Owen Devar
•It absolutely works for complicated situations like yours with multiple income sources. That's actually where it shines because it can analyze how your various income streams affect your total tax picture and recommend specific withholding adjustments for your W4. It helped me figure out how to account for my freelance work alongside my day job. Regarding whether it's free - they do have both free and premium features. The basic withholding calculator and W4 guidance is available without charge, but there are more advanced tools if you need them. No pressure tactics though - I used just the free tools last year and they were super helpful.
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Daniel Rivera
Just wanted to update that I tried taxr.ai after asking about it here and wow - it actually worked really well for my situation with the side gig income! The tool showed me I needed to either increase withholding at my main job or make quarterly estimated payments for my side hustle. I adjusted my W4 like they suggested to have a bit more taken out each paycheck instead of dealing with quarterly payments. Already feeling better about next year's taxes!
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Connor Rupert
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Molly Hansen
•How does this even work? The IRS phone system is notoriously impossible to get through. Do they have some special access or connection?
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Brady Clean
•Yeah right. Nothing can get you through to the IRS faster. This sounds like a scam that just takes your money and tells you to keep holding like everyone else.
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Connor Rupert
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Brady Clean
I take back what I said. I was so frustrated after trying for a week to reach someone at the IRS about my withholding issue that I gave Claimyr a shot. Honestly didn't expect much but figured it couldn't be worse than what I was already experiencing. To my complete shock, I got a call back in about 20 minutes saying they'd reached an IRS agent! The agent walked me through exactly what happened with my withholding (turns out my employer had my W4 set incorrectly for half the year) and helped me figure out how to fix it going forward. Saved me from what would have been another day wasted on hold. Just wanted to update since I was wrong in my skeptical comment.
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Skylar Neal
One thing nobody mentioned - check if you're having state taxes withheld too! I had the same issue where I owed federal taxes at filing time, but then realized I was ALSO not having any state tax withheld. Double whammy. Make sure your W4 is set correctly for both federal AND state (some states have their own version of the W4).
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Vincent Bimbach
•Omg yes!!! I'm in CA and didn't realize there was a separate state withholding form. Got absolutely destroyed at tax time. Had to set up a payment plan. Check ur state requirements!!!
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Skylar Neal
•That's a great point about California! Several states actually require their own withholding forms separate from the federal W4. California uses the DE 4 form, New York has the IT-2104, and Illinois uses the IL-W-4. Always check your paystub to make sure you're seeing both federal and state withholding amounts. Tax agencies don't notify you if you're not withholding enough - they just wait until filing time and then hit you with the bill and sometimes penalties. Better to slightly overwithhold and get a refund than to underwithhold and owe money plus potential underpayment penalties.
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Kelsey Chin
This is probably gonna sound dumb, but check how many allowances youve put on ur W4. More allowances = less tax taken out during the year = bigger bill at tax time. I kept putting like 3 or 4 allowances (thinking it was like household size??) and kept owing money every April. Finally my payroll person explained that I should put 0 or 1 for my situation. Now I get a refund instead.
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Norah Quay
•Actually, the W4 form changed in 2020 and doesn't use allowances anymore! It's a completely different system now. You might want to submit an updated one with your employer.
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