What does a potential IRS shutdown mean for taxpayers and the tax system?
I've been hearing some talk about "shutting down the IRS" and honestly I'm confused about what this would actually mean in practical terms. Would our income taxes just... stop? How would the government function without that revenue stream? Would we still have to file something? Would states still collect their taxes? I'm trying to understand the logistics of how this would actually work in real life, not looking for political debates. Just want to learn about the potential economic impacts and what it might mean for regular folks like me who are used to the current system. Would love to hear thoughtful explanations on what a world without the IRS might look like from a practical standpoint.
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Liam McGuire
The IRS is responsible for collecting about $4.5 trillion in tax revenue annually, which funds roughly 96% of federal government operations. "Shutting down" the IRS would fundamentally change how our government is funded. If the IRS were eliminated, we'd need an alternative tax collection system or revenue source. Some proposals suggest replacing income tax with a national sales tax or consumption tax. This would shift the tax burden from income to spending, potentially changing how different income groups are taxed. Government services would likely face significant restructuring without this revenue. Everything from military funding to Social Security, Medicare, infrastructure, and federal agencies would need alternative funding sources or substantial cuts. The practical reality is that some form of taxation would still need to exist to fund government operations. The question becomes what type of tax system would replace the current one, and how the transition would work.
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Amara Eze
•But wouldn't states just step in to collect taxes? And what about all those IRS employees? Would they just lose their jobs overnight or would they transition to whatever new system gets put in place?
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Liam McGuire
•States could potentially expand their role in tax collection, but currently they have their own separate tax systems with different rules and rates. Creating 50 different collection systems to replace the federal one would be incredibly complex and likely inefficient. Regarding IRS employees, any significant restructuring would affect the roughly 80,000 IRS workers. Some might transition to new roles in whatever system replaced it, but there would almost certainly be substantial job displacement. Any serious proposal would need to address this transition period for both the workforce and the tax collection mechanisms.
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Giovanni Ricci
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NeonNomad
•Does it actually work with audit letters specifically? I just got one about my rental property deductions and I'm freaking out. Did it help you prepare a response or just explain what was going on?
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Fatima Al-Hashemi
•I'm a bit skeptical about AI tools for something as serious as an audit. How does it compare to just hiring a CPA? Because this sounds like something that could get you in more trouble if the AI misinterprets something.
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Giovanni Ricci
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NeonNomad
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Dylan Mitchell
After trying to call the IRS for 3 weeks straight about a missing refund issue (related to this shutdown discussion), I finally found a service called Claimyr at https://claimyr.com that got me through to an actual IRS agent in under 15 minutes. They have a demo video at https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c showing how it works. I was about to give up after being disconnected repeatedly during their "high call volume" messages. Claimyr basically navigates the phone tree and waits on hold for you, then calls you when an agent is ready. When I finally spoke to someone, they found that my refund was flagged for review because of a discrepancy with stimulus payment reporting. If the IRS actually shut down, I wonder what would replace these customer service functions? Who would handle disputes or questions?
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Sofia Martinez
•Wait, how does this actually work? Do you have to give them personal info? Sounds sketchy to give a third party access to something tax-related.
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Dmitry Volkov
•This sounds like a complete scam. You expect me to believe some service can magically get through when millions of people can't? The IRS phone system is deliberately designed to be impenetrable. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Dylan Mitchell
•You don't give them any personal tax information at all. It just works like a virtual receptionist service - they navigate the phone menus and wait on hold, then call you when they reach a human. You talk directly to the IRS agent, not through an intermediary. They just solve the "being on hold forever" problem. Regarding skepticism, I totally get it. I wouldn't have believed it either until I tried it myself after weeks of frustration. The IRS phone system isn't "deliberately impenetrable" - it's just overwhelmed and underfunded. This service just has technology to keep dialing and navigating the menus until they get through.
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Dmitry Volkov
I need to apologize for my skepticism about Claimyr. After another failed attempt to reach the IRS yesterday (2 hours on hold before being disconnected), I gave in and tried it. I got a call back in about 40 minutes, and there was an actual IRS representative on the line. We resolved my stimulus payment issue that had been hanging over my head for months. The agent confirmed there was an error code on my account that was holding up my refund. If they actually shut down the IRS, I wonder what system would handle these kinds of errors and disputes? Would we just be on our own trying to navigate whatever replaces it? At least now there's a way to actually reach someone when there's a problem.
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Ava Thompson
My economics professor talked about this topic last semester. Theoretically, the government could implement a national sales tax (sometimes called the Fair Tax) that would put the collection burden on businesses rather than individuals. The tax rate would need to be somewhere around 20-30% to generate equivalent revenue to our current system. The biggest challenge would be the transition period - how do you switch systems without causing massive disruption? There's also questions about who would enforce tax compliance without the IRS. Even with a sales tax, you'd need an agency to ensure businesses are collecting and remitting properly.
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CyberSiren
•Wouldn't a sales tax hit lower income people harder since they spend a higher percentage of their income on goods? Seems like that would be really regressive compared to our current system.
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Ava Thompson
•You're absolutely right about the regressive nature of a pure sales tax. Most serious proposals include a "prebate" system that would send monthly payments to all households to offset the tax impact on necessities up to the poverty level. The system would still be simpler than our current income tax, but it wouldn't be without its own complexities. And yes, implementation would require careful consideration of equity issues across income levels. The challenge becomes finding a system that's both efficient and fair.
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Miguel Alvarez
Ok but what would happen to all my previous tax records and audits that are in process? I'm currently dealing with a dispute from my 2021 return. If they shut down tomorrow, would that just...go away?
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Liam McGuire
•That's a practical question many people don't consider. Any major system change would need to include provisions for transitioning ongoing cases and maintaining records. Most likely, there would be a wind-down period where existing issues would still be resolved. No serious proposal suggests simply abandoning all current tax enforcement overnight - that would create chaos. There would almost certainly be a transition agency to handle existing cases even if the system changes for future years.
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Cassandra Moon
As someone who works in public finance, I think it's important to understand that "shutting down the IRS" isn't really a binary on/off switch. Even the most aggressive reform proposals recognize that some form of federal revenue collection would need to continue. The more realistic scenarios involve restructuring how taxes are collected rather than eliminating federal taxation entirely. This could mean consolidating collection functions with other agencies, implementing different tax mechanisms (like the consumption taxes others mentioned), or significantly simplifying the current system. What's often overlooked is that the IRS also handles non-tax functions like processing economic impact payments, child tax credits, and other federal programs. Any replacement system would need to account for these administrative responsibilities too. The transition period would be the biggest challenge - you can't just flip a switch and change how $4+ trillion in annual revenue gets collected without massive preparation and coordination across all levels of government.
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Eli Wang
•This is really helpful context! I hadn't thought about all those other programs the IRS administers. When you mention "consolidating collection functions with other agencies," what would that actually look like? Would the Department of Treasury just absorb those responsibilities, or are we talking about creating entirely new agencies? Also, I'm curious about the timeline - if there was serious political momentum behind major IRS reform, how long would you estimate a transition period would realistically need to be? Seems like the logistics alone would take years to work out properly.
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Kai Santiago
•@Eli Wang Great questions! For consolidation, we d'likely see functions split between existing Treasury departments and potentially new specialized agencies. Tax collection might go to a streamlined Treasury division, while benefit distribution could move to agencies like Social Security Administration or a new federal payments bureau. Regarding timeline - any major reform would realistically need 7-10 years minimum. You d'need 2-3 years just for legislative development and system design, another 3-4 years for technology infrastructure and staff training, plus 2-3 years for phased implementation with parallel systems running. The complexity is staggering - we re'talking about replacing systems that process over 240 million tax returns annually, handle trillions in transactions, and integrate with every state tax system, banks, employers, and other federal agencies. Even small changes to tax law typically take 2-3 years to implement properly. @Cassandra Moon s point'about non-tax functions is crucial - the IRS processes everything from disaster relief payments to healthcare subsidies. Any transition would need to maintain these critical services without interruption.
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Giovanni Moretti
This discussion has been really eye-opening! As someone who's always just filed my taxes and hoped for the best, I never realized how interconnected the IRS is with so many other government functions. What strikes me most is the timeline aspect - 7-10 years for a major transition seems both reasonable given the complexity but also politically challenging. How do you maintain momentum for such a massive reform across multiple election cycles? I'm also wondering about the international implications that haven't been mentioned yet. How would foreign tax treaties work? What about Americans living abroad who currently deal with IRS requirements? Would whatever replaces the IRS need to maintain all those international relationships and agreements? The logistics seem almost impossibly complex when you really think through all the moving pieces. Makes me appreciate that our current system, however flawed, at least functions at this massive scale.
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