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Zoe Gonzalez

What are the pros and cons of LLC vs SCorp for my side business?

Hey tax folks! I've been running a small web design business on the side of my day job for about 3 years now. It's starting to make decent money (about $45k last year), and my accountant mentioned I should consider either an LLC or SCorp structure instead of continuing as a sole proprietor. I'm trying to figure out which would be better for my situation. The LLC seems simpler, but I've heard SCorps can save on self-employment taxes? I'm planning to keep my full-time job but might go full-time with my business in the next 2-3 years if things keep growing. What are the real pros and cons of LLC vs SCorp that I should consider? Any insights from people who've made this choice would be super helpful! Thanks!

Ashley Adams

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So the main difference really comes down to how they're taxed. An LLC is a pass-through entity by default (all income passes directly to your personal return), but an S Corporation allows you to split your income between salary and distributions. The big advantage of an S Corp is that you only pay self-employment taxes (Medicare and Social Security) on the salary portion, not on the distributions. With an LLC, you pay self-employment tax on all your profits. But there are tradeoffs - S Corps require more formalities like board meetings, separate payroll, and you must pay yourself a "reasonable salary" that the IRS would deem appropriate for your work. With your income level of $45k, the tax savings might not justify the extra accounting and paperwork costs of an S Corp yet. Many tax professionals suggest considering an S Corp when your business consistently nets around $60-80k+ per year. Another option: you can form an LLC but elect to have it taxed as an S Corp (best of both worlds), giving you liability protection with simpler formation while getting S Corp tax benefits.

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Thanks for the detailed explanation! Quick question - if I go the LLC route now but want to switch to S Corp taxation later when my income grows, is that a complicated process? And approximately how much would an accountant charge annually for handling S Corp paperwork vs just an LLC?

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Ashley Adams

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Converting from LLC to S Corp taxation isn't too complicated. You just file Form 2553 with the IRS to elect S Corp status. You can do this at the beginning of any tax year, and it's a fairly straightforward form. The IRS gives you about 2.5 months after your fiscal year begins to make this election. For accounting costs, expect to pay about $1,000-2,000 more annually for an S Corp vs a simple LLC. This covers the additional payroll processing, extra tax forms, and ensuring you're following all the S Corp rules. But remember, once your profits grow, these costs are usually offset by the self-employment tax savings.

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Aaron Lee

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Did it give you specific numbers for your situation? I'm wondering if it's worth paying for. I'm making about $90k in my consulting business and my CPA keeps pushing me toward S Corp but I'm still not convinced it's worth the hassle.

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Aaron Lee

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Michael Adams

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Samantha Hall

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One other consideration for LLC vs S Corp that nobody's mentioned: state taxes and fees. In California for example, LLCs pay an annual $800 minimum tax PLUS a gross receipts fee that starts at $900 when your revenue hits $250k. S Corps just pay the flat $800 regardless of revenue. Meanwhile, in states like Texas or Wyoming, the fees are much lower for both. Worth checking your state's specific rules since they can make a big difference in the overall math.

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Zoe Gonzalez

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That's a great point I hadn't even thought about! I'm in Illinois - do you happen to know if there's a big difference in state fees here between the two options?

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Samantha Hall

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For Illinois, the difference isn't as dramatic as California. LLCs pay an annual fee of $75 after filing, while corporations (including S Corps) pay an annual report fee of $75 plus a franchise tax which is a minimum of $25. So only about $25 difference annually in your state. But definitely look into the Illinois replacement tax - it's a 1.5% tax on S Corporation income that doesn't apply to single-member LLCs. That could be more significant than the annual fees depending on your profit level.

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Ryan Young

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Everyone's focusing on taxes, but consider liability protection too! I had an LLC for my consulting business and got sued by a client. Found out my LLC protection wasn't as strong as I thought - the plaintiff's lawyer was able to "pierce the corporate veil" because I hadn't kept perfect separation between personal/business finances. S Corps typically have stronger liability protection since they're more formally structured. Just something to think about beyond just the tax implications. Whatever you choose, be SUPER disciplined about keeping separate accounts, formal documentation, etc.

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Sophia Clark

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That's scary! Were they able to come after your personal assets? I thought the whole point of an LLC was protection from that kind of thing.

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Nick Kravitz

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Fortunately no, we settled before it got that far, but it was a real wake-up call. My lawyer explained that LLCs do provide liability protection, but it's not bulletproof if you don't follow proper procedures. In my case, I had been sloppy about mixing personal and business expenses on the same credit card and hadn't been doing proper record-keeping. The key is treating your business entity like a separate legal person - separate bank accounts, formal contracts, proper documentation of decisions, etc. S Corps naturally force you into better habits because of the required formalities like board resolutions and meeting minutes. With an LLC, it's easier to get lazy about the administrative stuff, but that's exactly what can bite you if someone challenges your liability protection.

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Kaitlyn Otto

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Great discussion everyone! As someone who made the switch from sole proprietor to LLC and then later to S Corp election, I wanted to share my experience. At $45k profit, I'd actually lean toward forming an LLC now but waiting on the S Corp election until you hit closer to $60k+. The LLC gives you liability protection immediately (which is valuable even at your current income level), and you can always add the S Corp tax election later without changing your business structure. One thing I wish someone had told me earlier: if you're planning to reinvest most of your profits back into the business for growth, the S Corp self-employment tax savings become less meaningful. The real benefit comes when you're taking significant distributions for personal use. Also consider your state's rules - some states don't recognize S Corp elections for state tax purposes, so you might not get the full benefit. Since you mentioned potentially going full-time in 2-3 years, starting with an LLC now gives you flexibility to reassess the S Corp election as your income grows and business needs change. The liability protection alone makes moving away from sole proprietor status worth it, even if the tax savings aren't huge yet at your current income level.

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This is exactly the kind of practical advice I was looking for! The point about reinvesting profits vs taking distributions is something I hadn't considered. Since I'm still working full-time and plan to reinvest most of the business income for growth, it sounds like the S Corp tax savings might not be as beneficial for me right now. The liability protection aspect is definitely compelling though - I've been putting that off for too long. Starting with an LLC and then potentially electing S Corp status later seems like the smart approach for my situation. Thanks for sharing your real-world experience!

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Margot Quinn

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One additional factor to consider is quarterly estimated taxes. As a sole proprietor, you're already dealing with quarterly payments, but the calculation becomes more complex with an S Corp because you'll need to account for both payroll taxes on your salary and estimated taxes on distributions. With an LLC (taxed as sole proprietorship), you continue making quarterly payments on your full profit. With an S Corp, your salary portion gets regular payroll tax withholding, but you still need to make quarterly payments on the distribution portion. This can actually help with cash flow management since the payroll withholding spreads out some of your tax burden throughout the year rather than having it all hit quarterly. But it does mean more complexity in calculating what you owe each quarter. Also worth noting - if you do elect S Corp status, make sure you start payroll from day one of the election. I've seen people get in trouble trying to back-calculate reasonable salary after the fact. The IRS expects regular, ongoing payroll if you're claiming S Corp tax treatment. At your income level, I'd echo others saying LLC now with potential S Corp election later, but definitely get that liability protection in place sooner rather than later!

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This is really helpful context on the quarterly tax implications! I hadn't thought about how the payroll withholding could actually help with cash flow by spreading the tax burden more evenly throughout the year. That's definitely a nice side benefit of S Corp election. Your point about starting payroll from day one is crucial - I can see how trying to retroactively determine "reasonable salary" would create problems with the IRS. Better to get it right from the start rather than have to explain later why you weren't taking salary for part of the year. Given all the great advice in this thread, I'm feeling more confident about starting with an LLC for the liability protection and keeping the option open for S Corp election once my income grows and stabilizes above that $60-75k range where the tax savings really start to matter.

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Axel Bourke

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This has been an incredibly informative thread! As someone who's been procrastinating on this decision for my own consulting business, reading everyone's real experiences has been super valuable. A few key takeaways I'm getting: 1. Start with LLC for liability protection regardless of income level 2. S Corp election makes sense around $60-75k+ in profit when tax savings outweigh complexity costs 3. State-specific rules can significantly impact the math 4. Proper record-keeping and business formalities are crucial for liability protection One question I haven't seen addressed: if you elect S Corp status, how flexible are you with adjusting your salary year to year based on business performance? For example, if I have a great year and want to minimize SE taxes by taking a smaller salary and larger distributions, vs a slower year where I might want more salary for better loan qualification purposes? Also wondering about the timing - if someone decides to make the S Corp election, is it better to do it at the beginning of their tax year, or can you elect mid-year and just prorate everything? Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this is exactly the kind of practical guidance you can't get from generic tax articles!

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Sean Doyle

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Great questions! On salary flexibility with S Corp election - you do have some room to adjust year to year, but the IRS expects consistency in how you determine "reasonable salary." You can't just arbitrarily slash your salary in good years to minimize SE taxes. The salary needs to reflect fair compensation for the work you actually perform, typically based on industry standards for similar roles. That said, there is legitimate flexibility - if your business has a down year and you're working fewer hours or taking on less responsibility, a proportionally lower salary can be justified. For loan qualification purposes, remember that lenders often look at total business income (salary + distributions), not just W-2 wages, especially for self-employed borrowers. On timing - you generally need to make the S Corp election (Form 2553) within 2 months and 15 days of the beginning of the tax year you want it to take effect. So for 2025, the deadline would be March 15th. You can't elect mid-year and prorate - it's an all-or-nothing election that applies to the entire tax year. However, if you miss the deadline, there are sometimes late election relief procedures available, but they require showing reasonable cause and can be complicated. Much better to plan ahead and file by the deadline if you're going that route!

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