Understanding when to pay taxes quarterly vs. yearly - thresholds for individuals & businesses
I've been confused about when you need to pay taxes quarterly instead of just once a year. I think there's some dollar amount cutoff for individuals and a different one for business owners, but I'm not 100% sure. Does anyone know what these thresholds are and where I can find the official info from the IRS? I know state sales tax is different - that's a pass-through you have to pay on a regular schedule. What's really bugging me is how someone with a W-2 job making over $325k can somehow pay a lower effective tax rate than someone only making $58k. Is it mainly because they max out their retirement accounts like IRAs and 401ks? I'm just talking about W-2 income here, not dealing with 1099 stuff.
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Ava Martinez
The threshold you're looking for is based on your anticipated tax liability, not your income directly. The general rule is that you need to pay quarterly estimated taxes if you expect to owe $1,000 or more when you file your tax return. For W-2 employees, your employer typically handles withholding taxes from each paycheck, so most don't need to worry about quarterly payments. But if you have significant income outside your job (investments, rental properties, side gigs), you might need to make estimated payments. As for why higher earners sometimes pay lower effective rates - it's a combination of factors. Yes, retirement accounts are a big one since 401k contributions (up to $23,000 for 2024, plus catch-up contributions) reduce taxable income. Higher earners also often have more access to tax-advantaged investments, can itemize more deductions, and might have income sources taxed at preferential rates (like qualified dividends and long-term capital gains).
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Miguel Ramos
•But what if I'm self-employed with no W-2? Is the threshold still $1,000 in expected taxes owed? And do business owners have different rules than individuals?
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Ava Martinez
•For self-employed individuals, the same $1,000 threshold applies. If you expect to owe $1,000 or more in taxes when you file, you should make quarterly estimated payments. Business entities like corporations have different rules. C-Corporations typically need to make estimated tax payments if they expect to owe $500 or more in taxes. The payment schedule is also quarterly but with different due dates than individual estimated payments.
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Zainab Omar
•Does it work if you have both W-2 and some 1099 income from a side gig? My employer withholds taxes but I'm not sure if it's enough to cover the extra income.
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QuantumQuasar
•It works great with mixed income sources! You can input your W-2 withholdings and your 1099 income, and it calculates whether your W-2 withholding covers your additional income or if you need to make supplemental quarterly payments. Super helpful for people with multiple income streams. The difference from the IRS worksheet is that it's dynamic throughout the year. The IRS worksheet is static and assumes even income, while most self-employed people have fluctuating income. The tool adjusts your quarterly payment recommendations as your actual income changes, helping you avoid both underpayment and overpayment.
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CosmicCowboy
About the rich people paying less taxes thing - it's not just retirement accounts. A big factor is that wage income (W-2) gets hit with both income tax AND payroll taxes (Social Security and Medicare). But once you hit the Social Security wage base ($168,600 in 2024), you stop paying the 6.2% Social Security tax on earnings above that amount. Also, higher-income folks often get more of their total compensation as stock options or capital gains, which are taxed at lower rates than regular income. Plus they can afford good CPAs who know all the legal strategies to minimize tax burden.
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Dmitry Sokolov
•So it's a combination of retirement account contributions, the Social Security tax cap, and different types of income being taxed differently? That makes sense. Do you know if there's a specific income level where making quarterly payments becomes mandatory for W-2 employees?
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CosmicCowboy
•You're absolutely right that it's a combination of all those factors working together. The Social Security tax cap is especially significant since that's a flat 6.2% savings on every dollar earned above the threshold. For W-2 employees, quarterly payments aren't typically required at all if your withholding is sufficient. There's no income level that automatically triggers quarterly payments - it's based on whether your withholding covers your tax liability. If you have substantial outside income or if you've set your W-2 withholding too low, that's when you might need to make estimated payments, regardless of your income level.
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Amina Diallo
If you want exact info on quarterly payment requirements, IRS Publication 505 has all the details. I got hit with an underpayment penalty a few years ago because I didn't realize a large year-end bonus would push me over the threshold. Remember there are "safe harbor" provisions - you can avoid penalties by paying either 90% of current year tax OR 100% of last year's tax (110% if your AGI was over $150,000). The second option is often easier if your income fluctuates a lot.
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Oliver Schulz
•Thanks for mentioning Publication 505! Do you know if the quarterly payments have to be equal throughout the year or can they match your actual income if it's seasonal?
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