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Alexis Renard

Understanding Tax vs Book Basis for Small Business Accounting Setup

I'm running a small business and handling our books myself (not using a tax accountant yet). I'm trying to figure out if I'm setting up my chart of accounts correctly so that converting from book basis to tax basis will be as painless as possible when tax time comes around. Also, I'm confused about how other types of taxes fit into this picture. Like, how do sales tax, property tax, and other non-income taxes factor into the tax basis books? Do these expenses affect income tax calculations in any way? For example, when vendors charge us sales tax, I'm recording that in a sales tax expense account. But what about sales tax we charge customers on invoices? Does that somehow factor into our income tax situation too? I know tax stuff gets super complicated, so I'm trying to get this right from the beginning!

Camila Jordan

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Great question about book vs tax basis accounting! For most small businesses, you want to set up your chart of accounts with tax reporting in mind from the start. The key is creating separate accounts for items that have different treatment for tax vs financial reporting. Some basics to include: separate accounts for meals (50% deductible), entertainment (non-deductible), different depreciation methods, officer compensation, and anything subject to special tax treatment. Avoid lumping dissimilar expenses together that might need to be split later. For your second question - sales tax you collect from customers is not income to your business; it's a liability until remitted to the tax authority. Sales tax you pay to vendors generally becomes part of the cost of inventory or expense, depending on what you purchased. Property taxes are generally deductible business expenses on your income tax return.

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Tyler Lefleur

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This is super helpful but I'm still not clear on something - what about stuff like depreciation? My accountant friend mentioned something about "book depreciation" vs "tax depreciation" and how they're different? Do I need separate accounts for both?

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Camila Jordan

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Yes, depreciation is one of the most common book-to-tax differences! For financial reporting (book basis), you might use straight-line depreciation over the useful life of an asset. For tax purposes, you might use accelerated depreciation methods like MACRS or take advantage of Section 179 expensing. I recommend setting up paired accounts: one for book depreciation expense and accumulated depreciation, and separate accounts for tax depreciation adjustments. This makes it much easier to reconcile the two methods at tax time without having to dig through all your transactions again.

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Max Knight

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Does it work with QuickBooks? My books are a mess and I'm trying to clean things up before my accountant fires me lol. I've got expenses all mixed together and I know that's going to be a problem.

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Emma Swift

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Max Knight

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Jayden Hill

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Wait, how does this actually work? Does it just wait on hold for you or something? I've literally spent hours trying to get through to the IRS about basis issues for my S-corp distributions.

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Emma Swift

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LordCommander

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One thing that helped me with the book vs tax basis issue was creating a separate reconciliation spreadsheet. I track everything normally in my accounting software using GAAP principles, then use a spreadsheet at tax time to make all the adjustments. My main tax-to-book differences are: - Depreciation (Section 179 vs straight-line) - Meal expenses (100% recorded, 50% deductible) - Cash vs accrual timing differences - Health insurance for self-employed This way I don't have to create a super complicated chart of accounts but still have everything organized for tax time.

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Alexis Renard

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I really like this approach. Do you have a template you could share or recommend? I'm worried about missing important adjustments if I try to create one from scratch.

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LordCommander

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I don't have a shareable template as mine is pretty specific to my business, but I can tell you how I structured it. I created columns for: Book Amount, Tax Adjustment, and Tax Amount. Then I list each account from my P&L with the book values, enter any needed adjustments, and calculate the tax basis amount. I also have a section specifically for balance sheet items that might have book/tax differences (like fixed assets with different depreciation methods). The key is documenting the reason for each adjustment so I can explain it to my accountant or in case of audit. My accountant actually said this made filing much easier because all the tax basis calculations were already done!

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Lucy Lam

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Has anyone dealt with tax vs book basis issues for accrual to cash conversion? My accounting is on accrual basis (because it makes more sense for our operations) but we file taxes on cash basis. It's becoming a nightmare to convert everything at year end.

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Camila Jordan

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This is actually pretty common. I recommend tracking your AR aging and AP aging reports at year-end, as these contain the primary differences for accrual-to-cash conversion. The main adjustments will be: 1. Removing unpaid revenue from income 2. Removing unpaid expenses from deductions 3. Adding in paid receivables that weren't counted as income this year 4. Adding in paid payables that weren't counted as expenses this year

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Lucy Lam

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That makes sense, thanks! So I basically need good reporting on what was billed vs paid in each tax year. I've been overcomplicating this. Seems like having clear AR/AP aging reports at Dec 31 would give me what I need to make the conversion.

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Zara Mirza

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One thing I've learned from managing this for my own business is that prevention is better than cure when it comes to book vs tax basis differences. I set up a simple system where I code transactions with tax implications right from the start. For example, when I enter a meal expense, I use a specific account code that reminds me it's only 50% deductible. For equipment purchases, I immediately note whether I plan to use Section 179 or regular depreciation. This way I'm not scrambling at year-end trying to remember the details of every transaction. Also, regarding your sales tax question - think of sales tax collected as "holding money for the government." It never becomes your income, so it should go straight to a liability account. Sales tax you pay becomes part of your expense or inventory cost, which does affect your income taxes as a deduction. The key is keeping good records from day one rather than trying to sort everything out later!

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