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Zainab Ismail

[USA] Collectibles capital gains tax rate - is it 28% for business sellers?

I've been diving into collectibles as an investment strategy and trying to understand the tax implications before I go too deep. My plan is pretty straightforward: 1. I'm currently in the acquisition phase - buying trading card game (TCG) singles, sealed product, and some vintage sports cards when I find good deals. Planning to continue this for about 3-4 years without selling anything. 2. Once my collection reaches a certain value threshold, I'm considering getting a business license since I expect sales might exceed $15K annually. Here's where I'm confused about the tax situation: I know collectibles are typically subject to a 28% capital gains tax rate for individuals, but what happens if I'm operating as a business? Does that change how my profits are taxed? Would I be better off filing as a sole proprietor, an LLC, or something else? I'm not looking for loopholes - just trying to understand the most appropriate and legal way to structure this venture to avoid surprises at tax time. Has anyone here dealt with selling collectibles as a business rather than as an individual collector?

As someone who's been in the collectibles space for over a decade, I can shed some light on this. The 28% collectibles capital gains tax rate applies to individuals selling collectible assets they've held for more than a year. This includes trading cards, coins, art, etc. If you form a business entity, the taxation changes significantly. For a sole proprietorship or single-member LLC (taxed as a disregarded entity), your profits would be reported on Schedule C and then flow to your personal return. The key difference is that these would likely be considered ordinary income, not capital gains, since you're essentially "dealing" in these items as inventory. This means potentially higher tax rates than the 28% collectibles rate, plus self-employment taxes. For a corporation or LLC taxed as a corporation, you'd pay corporate tax rates on profits, but would face double taxation when taking money out as dividends.

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What about the inventory aspect? If I'm buying cards as "investments" but then start a business later to sell them, can the IRS claim I was always operating as a business and deny me capital gains treatment even on my early purchases?

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That's an excellent question. The IRS looks at several factors to determine if you're an investor or a dealer, including how frequently you buy/sell, how long you hold items, and your primary intent. If you're clearly acquiring and holding for appreciation over several years before selling, you have a stronger case for investor treatment on those initial purchases. Once you start regular buying and selling activities through a business entity, new purchases would likely be considered inventory. The IRS could potentially scrutinize your earlier purchases, but having clear documentation of your investment intent and substantial holding periods helps establish your case for capital gains treatment on those specific items.

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Did they actually tell you how to structure your business or just analyze your current situation? I'm wondering if they can help with planning rather than just assessing what's already happened.

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They helped with my specific situation by analyzing my purchasing and selling patterns to determine how the IRS would likely classify me. They definitely provided forward-looking guidance on how to structure future transactions based on my goals. As for comparing to a traditional CPA, what I found valuable was their specialized knowledge in collectibles taxation specifically. Many CPAs understand general business tax principles but aren't familiar with the nuances of dealer vs. investor classification for collectibles. They also provided specific documentation templates designed for collectors that I could use to strengthen my position with the IRS if questioned.

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet is that if you're truly operating as a business rather than an investor, you might be able to deduct legitimate business expenses that you can't as an individual investor. Things like: - Storage costs for your inventory - Insurance on your collection - Travel to card shows or auctions - Professional grading services - Research materials/subscriptions - Home office deduction if applicable This might partially offset the potentially higher ordinary income tax rates vs. capital gains rates. Just make sure you're keeping meticulous records of all business-related expenses.

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How strict is the IRS about proving these are actual business expenses though? I'd be worried about triggering an audit by claiming too many deductions for what started as a hobby.

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The key is being able to demonstrate that you're operating with the primary intention of making a profit, not just enjoying a hobby. The IRS uses a "hobby loss rule" where they generally expect you to show a profit in 3 out of 5 consecutive years. Keep detailed records of all expenses with receipts, maintain separate bank accounts for your business activities, create a formal business plan showing your profit strategy, and track the time you spend on business activities. Taking a professional approach with good documentation goes a long way if you're ever questioned. Remember that legitimate business expenses are only deductible to the extent they're ordinary and necessary for your business - so buying a new sports car probably wouldn't qualify, but specialized climate-controlled storage for valuable cards likely would.

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Have you considered setting up an S-Corporation instead of a sole proprietorship? I switched to an S-Corp for my collectibles business once I was clearing about $40K in profit annually and it saved me a bundle on self-employment taxes. The basic approach is that you pay yourself a reasonable salary (which is subject to SE tax) and then take the rest as distributions (which aren't). There are additional compliance requirements and costs, but it might be worth exploring if your operation gets big enough.

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That's an interesting approach I hadn't considered. What would you consider a "reasonable salary" in the collectibles space? And did you need any special valuation methods for your inventory when you made the switch?

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A reasonable salary would be whatever similar businesses would pay someone to do your job - for collectibles, that might be similar to what card shop managers make in your area. I used data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics for retail managers as my baseline, adjusted for the fact that I work part-time hours. For inventory valuation, I used purchase price as my basis. The tricky part was separating my personal collection from business inventory. I had my accountant help document which items were purchased with investor intent before the business formation versus what I acquired as inventory. We created a detailed spreadsheet with purchase dates, prices, and the intended disposition (personal investment vs. business inventory). The S-Corp arrangement has saved me thousands in self-employment taxes, but don't attempt it without professional guidance - the compliance requirements are significant.

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This is a really comprehensive discussion that's helping me understand the complexity of collectibles taxation better. One thing I'm still unclear on is the timing of when you transition from investor to dealer status. If I follow my original plan of acquiring for 3-4 years without selling, then start a business and begin regular sales, does the IRS evaluate each transaction individually or do they look at your overall pattern of activity across multiple years? For example, if I sell a card I bought in year 1 (clearly investment intent) but sell it in year 5 when I'm operating as a business, is that specific transaction still eligible for capital gains treatment, or does my business status at the time of sale override the original investment intent? I'm trying to understand if there's a clean way to maintain two separate buckets - my original investment collection versus new business inventory - or if starting business operations potentially taints everything retroactively.

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