US music label not withholding tax or requesting W8-BEN for royalty payments - who's responsible for tax filing?
I'm based in Ireland and receiving royalty payments from a US music distributor who releases my compositions in the States. They've been paying me about €750 annually (usually split between spring and fall payments), but they've never asked me for a W8-BEN form or withheld any taxes from these payments. Honestly, they seem a bit sketchy in how they handle the business side of things. From what I've researched, I think the US-Ireland tax treaty would mean 0% withholding anyway, so technically no taxes would be owed even with proper documentation. But I'm concerned about the principle of the situation. Since they're failing to follow proper procedures as the paying entity, does that mean I'm now obligated to file a US tax return myself? Or is that still their legal responsibility regardless of how poorly they're handling it? The amount isn't huge right now but my music is getting more traction, so I expect these royalty payments will increase significantly next year. I'd really rather not deal with filing US tax returns if I don't have to, especially if it's actually their obligation in the first place. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!
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Sean Kelly
Technically, the US music distributor is supposed to request a W8-BEN from you and withhold taxes if applicable. The W8-BEN establishes that you're a foreign person and qualifies you for treaty benefits (in your case, the 0% withholding rate between Ireland and the US). Even though no tax would be owed due to the treaty, the proper documentation should still be in place. However, as a non-US resident receiving only royalty income that would be exempt under the treaty, you generally wouldn't need to file a US tax return simply because the payer failed to request proper documentation. The primary responsibility for proper withholding falls on the US payer, not you. They could potentially face penalties for failing to collect the W8-BEN and properly document the payments. That said, it might be in your best interest to proactively provide them with a completed W8-BEN form anyway, even if they haven't requested it. This protects you by documenting your treaty position, especially as your royalty amounts increase.
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Zara Malik
•Thanks for this info! I'm in a similar situation with a small US publisher. If I want to send them a W8-BEN without them asking, is there a specific form or version I should use? And how long is it valid once I submit it?
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Sean Kelly
•The standard IRS Form W-8BEN (Certificate of Foreign Status of Beneficial Owner for United States Tax Withholding and Reporting - Individuals) is what you'd need. You can download the current version directly from the IRS website. Make sure you're using the individual form, not the W-8BEN-E which is for entities. W-8BEN forms generally remain valid for three years from the date of signing unless a change in circumstances makes any information on the form incorrect. For example, if you change your country of residence or citizenship, you'd need to submit a new form.
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Luca Greco
I went through something really similar with royalties from my photography being sold through a US agency! After hours of research that left me totally confused, I found this tool called taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) that analyzed my specific situation with international royalties. It broke down exactly what forms I needed based on my country's tax treaty with the US, and explained in simple terms that while the agency should be requesting my W8-BEN, I could proactively send it to protect myself. The site even generated a customized letter I could send to the agency explaining the tax treaty benefits I qualified for. What a relief not having to figure out all the international tax jargon myself!
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Nia Thompson
•Did you have to pay to use it? I'm getting royalties from three different US companies and none of them seem to understand their obligations for non-US creators.
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Mateo Rodriguez
•I'm skeptical about these online tax tools. How does it know the specific treaty details between every country and the US? Did it actually help resolve your situation with the agency?
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Luca Greco
•I used their free assessment first which was enough to understand the basics of my situation. They do have paid options for more complex situations but I didn't need that for my case. The tool actually does contain the specific tax treaties - that's what impressed me! It showed me the exact article number in the US-Canada tax treaty that applied to my photography royalties. When I sent that information to my agency, they finally understood and started handling things properly. They even thanked me because apparently they had other international photographers they weren't sure how to handle tax-wise.
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Mateo Rodriguez
Just wanted to update after trying taxr.ai that was mentioned above. I was really surprised by how helpful it was for my situation with music royalties from the US. I'm from Australia and it immediately identified the relevant treaty provisions that applied to my royalty income. The document analysis feature saved me hours of reading through tax jargon. It flagged exactly what I needed to do (and what I didn't need to worry about). I sent the completed W8-BEN to my distributor with the explanation letter the site generated, and they've now updated their records properly. They actually thanked me for clearing up their confusion about international payments!
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Aisha Hussain
If you're having trouble getting your US payer to respond about tax documentation, I've been there! After six emails to my publisher with no response about W8-BEN forms, I was at my wit's end. A musician friend recommended trying Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) to actually get through to a human at the IRS to confirm my obligations. There's a demo of how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c but basically it helped me skip the ridiculous hold times (I had tried calling myself and gave up after 2 hours on hold). I got connected to an actual IRS international tax specialist who confirmed that while the responsibility is on the US payer, I could protect myself by documenting my attempts to provide proper forms. That conversation saved me so much stress!
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GalacticGladiator
•How does this service actually work? I don't understand how they can get you through to the IRS when nobody else can. Seems fishy.
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Ethan Brown
•Yeah right, nobody gets through to the IRS. I've been trying for months to resolve an international tax issue. Are you sure you actually spoke to a real IRS agent and not some third-party service pretending to be IRS?
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Aisha Hussain
•The service basically uses automated calling technology to wait on hold for you. When they reach a human at the IRS, you get a call back so you can take over the conversation. It's not that they have some special access - they're just handling the frustrating hold time part. I definitely spoke with an actual IRS agent. The service just handled the hold time, then connected me directly to the IRS phone line when a representative answered. I had my case number and all my documentation ready, and the agent was able to access my records and provide official guidance. Nothing fishy about it - just a clever way to avoid waiting on hold for hours.
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Ethan Brown
I need to eat my words from my skeptical comment earlier. After my frustration reached a breaking point with trying to resolve my international royalty situation, I broke down and tried Claimyr. Within 90 minutes, I got a call back and was speaking with an actual IRS international tax specialist. The agent confirmed that as a non-resident with treaty-exempt royalties, I'm not required to file a US return, but I should document my attempts to provide the W8-BEN to the payer. She even gave me specific instructions for sending a certified letter to create a paper trail of my compliance efforts. I was 100% wrong in my skepticism - this saved me from booking an expensive international tax consultation and gave me peace of mind directly from the IRS.
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Yuki Yamamoto
Anyone know if this changes depending on royalty amount? I'm getting around $2000 per year from a US art licensing company and they've never asked for any tax forms either. Been going on for 4 years now.
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Carmen Ruiz
•The amount doesn't matter - the requirement for W8-BEN is based on the type of payment (royalties), not the amount. Your licensing company is definitely supposed to be collecting this documentation from you regardless of whether it's $200 or $20,000. The only difference might be that larger amounts could trigger more scrutiny during an audit. I'd definitely send them a completed W8-BEN even if they haven't asked!
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Yuki Yamamoto
•Thanks for clearing that up. I think I've been lucky so far but don't want to push it. I'll download the form and send it over to them right away. Figured there might be some threshold where they start caring but sounds like they should have been doing this all along.
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Andre Lefebvre
Just to share my experience - I submitted a W8-BEN to my US publisher without them asking, and they had no idea what to do with it! They literally emailed me back asking what department should handle it. Their accounting team finally figured it out, but it was clear they'd never dealt with international authors before even though they were distributing my work in the US. Sometimes these smaller companies just don't know their obligations.
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Zoe Dimitriou
•Omg this is so typical. I had the exact same experience with a small US record label. They acted like I was the first non-US artist they'd ever worked with! Did they eventually start handling your payments correctly?
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Emily Parker
This is such a common issue with smaller US distributors and publishers! I'm a tax professional who specializes in international artist taxation, and I see this scenario constantly. You're absolutely right that under the US-Ireland tax treaty, royalties are generally exempt from US withholding tax (0% rate), but the W8-BEN documentation requirement still applies regardless of the treaty rate. Here's the key point: as an Irish resident receiving royalty income that's treaty-exempt, you're typically NOT required to file a US tax return even if the payer fails to collect proper documentation. The filing obligation generally falls on US persons or when you have US-source income that's actually subject to tax. However, I'd strongly recommend proactively sending them a completed W8-BEN form anyway. This protects you by establishing your treaty position on record, especially as your royalties grow. Include a brief cover letter explaining that this establishes your eligibility for treaty benefits under Article 12 of the US-Ireland tax treaty. If they continue to mishandle things, keep records of your attempts to provide proper documentation. This creates a paper trail showing your good faith compliance efforts, which could be valuable if any questions arise later. The distributor could face penalties for not collecting required forms, but that's their problem, not yours!
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