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Malik Thomas

The IRS can't provide a copy of my past return for my small business??

I'm so frustrated right now! I've been trying to catch up on some old tax returns and needed info from a previous year. I sent in that form (4506 I think?) to request a copy of my old return and paid the stupid $50 fee. Today I got a letter from the IRS saying they don't have it available and they're refunding my payment! All they gave me was a summary saying my total income was $27,450 and my refund was $1,320. The problem is I ran a small side business selling on eBay and Amazon that year, and I have absolutely no record of what my sales were, my inventory costs, shipping expenses, etc. Without that Schedule C information, I have no clue how to accurately report my business activity on these past due returns I'm working on. Has anyone dealt with this before? How am I supposed to reconstruct my business expenses from 3 years ago when the IRS can't even provide a copy of the return they have on file? I'm completely stuck and my tax preparer seems just as confused as I am.

What the IRS is telling you is that they don't have a copy of your actual tax return documents, just the information that was processed from it. This happens more often than people realize, especially with older returns or ones filed on paper. For reconstructing your business income and expenses, you have a few options. First, check if you have access to your eBay/Amazon seller accounts from that period - they typically maintain sales records for several years. You can download reports showing your total sales. For expenses, look through old email receipts, credit card statements, or bank records from that time period. PayPal history can be especially helpful for eBay sellers. If you used any tax software, there's a good chance you can still access your filed return through the software, even from previous years. Most programs keep your returns on file for at least 7 years.

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Malik Thomas

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Thanks for responding! I checked my Amazon/eBay accounts but they only have like the last 18 months of data available. And I didn't keep the tax software files from back then (stupid, I know). Do you think it would be acceptable to make reasonable estimates based on the total income the IRS has on file? Like if I know my total income was $27,450, could I work backwards to figure out what portion was likely from the business?

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Yes, you can definitely work backwards from the total income figure the IRS provided. If you have W-2s or 1099s from that year for your regular employment, subtract those amounts from the total income figure to estimate your business revenue. For expenses, the IRS generally accepts reasonable reconstructions when original records aren't available. Create a spreadsheet estimating categories like inventory costs (typically 50-65% of sales for most resellers), shipping supplies, platform fees (about 13% for Amazon/eBay), and other business expenses. Document your methodology and keep notes on how you arrived at each estimate. This shows good faith effort if you're ever questioned about it.

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Ravi Kapoor

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Freya Larsen

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Does taxr.ai work with just the account transcript or do you need the full return transcript? I've got the account one but not sure if that has enough info for the system to work with.

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I'm skeptical about any service claiming they can recreate business expenses from a transcript. The IRS transcript doesn't show line-by-line Schedule C expenses, so how could it possibly know what you spent on inventory vs shipping vs fees? Sounds like wishful thinking to me.

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Ravi Kapoor

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It works with any type of transcript, including account transcripts, but obviously the more detailed the transcript, the better the results. The system is designed to extract whatever information is available and then help fill in the gaps logically. The service doesn't claim to know exactly what you spent on specific expenses - what it does is analyze the overall numbers and applicable tax rules to suggest reasonable ranges based on your business type and total reported income. It's not creating data from nothing, but rather helping you establish reasonable estimates based on standard industry percentages and the totals that the IRS does have on file. It's still your responsibility to review and adjust those suggestions based on what you know about your specific situation.

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Omar Zaki

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Chloe Taylor

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Diego Flores

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Omar Zaki

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Diego Flores

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Have you checked with your bank to see if they still have statements from that time period? Most banks keep records for at least 7 years. I had a similar situation and was able to go through my bank and credit card statements to find all my business purchases. It was tedious but at least gave me something concrete to work with. Also, if you used Paypal for your eBay sales, they often have records going back many years - way longer than eBay itself keeps them! Might be worth logging in there to check.

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Malik Thomas

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That's a really good suggestion. I do still have the same bank account I used back then, so I'll call them tomorrow and see if they can provide statements from that period. I think I used PayPal for most of my eBay transactions too so I'll definitely check there. Did you just manually go through each statement and categorize everything? How did you handle things like inventory where you might have purchased it in a different year than you sold it?

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I did go through each statement manually and created a spreadsheet to categorize everything. It was time-consuming but gave me solid documentation. For inventory timing issues, I made my best estimate of which inventory was sold in which year based on my sales patterns. Since you're doing this retroactively, what worked for me was calculating my overall profit margin across all sales and then applying that same margin to each year's known revenue. For example, if I determined I generally made 40% profit after all costs, I would apply that to each year's total sales figure. The IRS is generally reasonable about reconstructed records as long as your approach is consistent and logical.

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Sean Murphy

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Question - couldn't you just go to whoever prepared your taxes that year and ask them for a copy? Most tax preparers keep copies of what they file for years. I know my accountant keeps everything for at least 7 years.

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StarStrider

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Not OP but sometimes people switch tax preparers or maybe they used software that year instead of a professional. I've been in a similar situation where I used TurboTax one year and then couldn't access the account years later because I had changed email addresses and couldn't verify my identity to recover the account.

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