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Sole proprietor LLC and rental property prep losses - can I claim these expenses?

I just purchased a property back in April 2024 and honestly it's been a nightmare trying to get it ready as a mid-term furnished rental with utilities included. Everything took way longer than expected, and after all that work we only ended up renting it out as a favor to a friend who paid us $360 for a few nights stay. My question is about the tax implications. Since we barely had any rental income but paid utilities and insurance on the property all year, can I list these as losses to offset our married filing jointly W2 income? Or alternatively, could I carry over these losses from utilities and insurance paid during 2024 to next year's taxes (2025) when hopefully we'll have more rental income? Also, I'm confused about depreciating the items I purchased for the rental (refrigerator, washer, furniture, etc.). Can I choose when to start depreciating them? Like can I wait until the property is fully operational as a rental? I'd appreciate any advice or recommendations for good resources to read up on this stuff. Thanks in advance!

Demi Hall

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What you're dealing with is a common situation for new landlords. Since you've only had minimal rental activity this year, you need to be careful how you handle these expenses. For the utilities and insurance, these are generally deductible in the year they were paid, but only for the portion of time the property was available for rent. If you were preparing the property most of the year, those costs during preparation would be considered start-up expenses rather than immediate deductions. Regarding carrying over losses - yes, you can typically carry forward unused passive activity losses to future tax years. This might be a good option if you expect more rental income next year. For your furniture and appliances, you're on the right track. These are depreciable assets, and depreciation typically begins when you place the items "in service" - meaning when they're ready and available for use in your rental business. You don't get to choose any random time, but you can wait until the property is actively being rented. I'd recommend checking out IRS Publication 527 (Residential Rental Property) and Publication 946 (How to Depreciate Property) for more detailed information.

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Thanks for the info! Do startup expenses work differently than regular rental expenses? And if most of 2024 was prep time, does that mean those expenses aren't deductible until 2025 when I'm actually earning rental income?

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Demi Hall

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Start-up expenses are treated differently than regular rental expenses. You can elect to deduct up to $5,000 of start-up costs in the year you begin business, with the remainder amortized over 15 years. But the key is determining when your rental activity officially "began" - which is usually when you first make the property available for rent, not necessarily when you first earn income. If your property was available and advertised for rent during 2024, even though you only had that one short rental to a friend, you could potentially still deduct expenses from that "available for rent" period. Expenses during the renovation/preparation period before it was available would be start-up costs.

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Does it actually work with minimal rental activity like OP has? I've got a similar situation where I spent most of 2024 doing renovations but only had 2 short-term renters. Most tax software seems confused by this situation.

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Pedro Sawyer

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My accountant told me that with rental properties, you need to show intent to make a profit. If you only had one friend stay as a favor, the IRS might consider it a hobby rather than a business, which means different tax rules. Make sure you document all your efforts to market the property as a rental, even if you weren't successful in getting many tenants yet. For the depreciation of furniture/appliances, my understanding is that depreciation must begin when you place the items "in service" - you don't get to choose when to start it. But "in service" means when the property is available for rent, not necessarily when you purchase the items.

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This hobby vs business distinction is worrying me now. I definitely intend to make a profit, but with only $360 in income for 2024 and thousands in expenses, will the IRS see this as a legitimate business? We had the property listed on several rental sites but just had bad timing with the market in our area.

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Pedro Sawyer

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Don't worry too much - the IRS looks at your intent and efforts, not just your initial results. Save copies of your rental listings, any advertising you did, and documentation of your efforts to rent the property. This shows you were genuinely trying to operate as a business. The IRS generally allows new businesses some time to become profitable. They use a guideline that if you show a profit in 3 out of 5 consecutive years, they'll presume you have a profit motive. Your first year being mostly preparation is very common in real estate. Just make sure you keep excellent records of all expenses and your efforts to rent the property. This documentation will be crucial if you're ever questioned about your business intent.

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Mae Bennett

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Has anyone used Schedule E for a property that was only partially rented during the year? I'm confused about how to allocate expenses between personal and rental use when the property was under renovation for most of the year.

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I had a similar situation last year. You need to allocate expenses based on both time and usage. For example, if your property was available for rent for 3 months out of the year, you'd allocate 25% of annual expenses like insurance, property taxes, etc. to the rental activity. Then within those 3 months, if it was only actually rented for 10 days, you need to keep personal use vs. rental use straight too. Publication 527 has worksheets for this. It gets complicated fast!

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