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Giovanni Marino

Small business owner tax write-offs: Understanding company cars, Section 179, and truck deductions

So I've started my own carpentry business this year after working for others for nearly a decade. Been trying to figure out this whole tax situation and I'm pretty confused about vehicle deductions and Section 179. From what I've been reading online, I think I understand that I can buy a vehicle as a business expense if I track the mileage used for business purposes? That makes sense. But then I found stuff about trucks over 6000lbs GVW with a 6-foot bed qualifying for 100% depreciation in the first year? This is where I'm getting confused. I'm thinking about this from an "after-tax" perspective. My accountant says my marginal tax rate is around 42%. So if the truck costs $65K and it's a business write-off, does that mean it effectively costs me only $37,700 after the tax savings? And if I can take 100% depreciation in year one, does that mean another 42% savings, bringing the effective cost down to just $13,000? That seems insanely low for a $65K truck. Also, a few contractor buddies mentioned leasing or financing might have even better tax advantages than buying outright, but nobody could explain exactly why. Is there some additional benefit I'm missing? I'm looking at expanding the business next year and could really use a dedicated work truck, but want to make sure I understand the tax implications before dropping that kind of money.

The Section 179 deduction is definitely a powerful tax benefit for small business owners, but there are some important nuances to understand so you don't get surprised at tax time. First, let's clarify how the tax savings works: When you purchase a qualifying vehicle (like that truck over 6,000lbs GVW with a 6-foot bed), you can potentially deduct the full purchase price from your business income in the year you buy it. This reduces your taxable income, which saves you money based on your marginal tax rate. So if you buy a $65K truck and your marginal tax rate is 42% (federal + state taxes), your tax savings would be around $27,300, making your effective cost about $37,700. The 100% bonus depreciation is actually part of this same deduction, not an additional 42% savings on top of that. So your $13,000 final cost calculation isn't quite right. As for leasing vs. financing - when you lease, you can typically deduct the entire lease payment as a business expense (for the business-use percentage). With financing, you get the Section 179 deduction upfront plus interest deductions, which can create a larger immediate tax benefit in the purchase year.

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Dylan Hughes

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Wait, I thought Section 179 and bonus depreciation were two separate things? And doesn't the business-use percentage matter? Like if I use the truck 75% for business and 25% personal, don't I only get to deduct 75% of the cost?

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You're right that Section 179 and bonus depreciation are technically separate provisions, but they both allow you to deduct the cost of qualifying business property in the year it's placed in service rather than depreciating it over several years. You can use either or a combination of both to get to 100% expensing. Yes, business-use percentage absolutely matters! If you use the truck 75% for business and 25% for personal use, you can only deduct 75% of the costs. This is a critical point many new business owners miss. You need to keep a mileage log to document business vs. personal use, and only the business portion qualifies for these deductions.

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Did they tell you anything about the SUV limitations? I heard there's a cap on luxury vehicles but trucks might be different? Also, does it connect with any accounting software or is it standalone?

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Zainab Ali

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Connor Murphy

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I've owned a construction company for 6 years and have used Section 179 for several vehicles. Here's my practical advice: 1) Talk to your accountant BEFORE purchasing. The rules change and there are limitations. 2) Keep IMMACULATE records of business vs personal use. I use an app that tracks every mile. 3) Consider the timing of your purchase. Buying in December vs January can make a huge difference for cash flow. 4) Remember that taking 100% depreciation upfront means you won't have depreciation deductions in future years. 5) If business use drops below 50% in later years, you might face "recapture" and have to pay back some deductions. The tax savings are real, but they're not quite as simple as "60% off the price." It's more about WHEN you get the tax benefit rather than IF you get it.

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This is incredibly helpful, especially the point about recapture. I hadn't considered that. What app do you use for tracking mileage? And do you think it makes more sense to buy now (September) or wait until January?

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Connor Murphy

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I use MileIQ for tracking - it automatically detects trips and lets you swipe right for business or left for personal. Super easy and creates IRS-ready reports. Worth every penny come tax time. For timing, it really depends on your specific situation this year versus next. If you're having a very profitable year and expect less income next year, buying now makes sense to offset current higher income. If you expect next year to be more profitable, waiting until January might be better. Also consider if you've already hit the Section 179 limits for this year ($1,160,000 for 2024) from other equipment purchases.

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Yara Nassar

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Something no one mentioned yet - be careful about what vehicle you choose! I made the mistake of buying a "luxury" SUV for my real estate business thinking I could deduct the full amount under Section 179. Turns out there's a much lower limit (around $27,000) for SUVs under 6,000 lbs. But larger trucks and vans that qualify as "work vehicles" have different rules. My accountant was PISSED that I didn't consult her first. Could have saved thousands if I'd bought the right type of vehicle. Also, just because you CAN deduct it doesn't always mean you SHOULD. Sometimes regular depreciation makes more sense for your long-term tax situation.

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StarGazer101

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Do you know if the rules are different for electric vehicles? I've been looking at the Ford F-150 Lightning for my business but not sure if it gets different treatment tax-wise compared to gas trucks.

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The Boss

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Electric vehicles like the F-150 Lightning actually get even better treatment! They qualify for Section 179 just like gas trucks if they meet the weight requirements (which the Lightning does at over 6,000 lbs). Plus you might be eligible for additional federal tax credits for electric commercial vehicles - up to $7,500 depending on the specific model and your tax situation. The key is that it still needs to be used primarily for business to get the full deduction. But combining Section 179 with the EV credit could make the effective cost even lower than a comparable gas truck. Definitely worth running the numbers with your accountant before deciding!

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As someone who just went through this exact decision process for my HVAC business, I want to emphasize something that hasn't been mentioned yet - the AMT (Alternative Minimum Tax) implications. If your business income puts you close to AMT territory, taking a large Section 179 deduction might actually trigger AMT, which could reduce or eliminate the tax benefit you're expecting. This was a nasty surprise for me last year when I bought a $70K service truck. Also, don't forget about state taxes! Some states don't conform to federal Section 179 rules, so you might get the federal deduction but still have to depreciate the vehicle over several years for state tax purposes. This can complicate your bookkeeping and reduce your overall tax savings. My advice? Get a tax projection done BEFORE you buy. Have your accountant run scenarios with and without the truck purchase to see the real impact on both your federal and state taxes. The "effective cost" calculation gets a lot more complex when you factor in all these variables.

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Amaya Watson

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This is exactly the kind of detail I was hoping to learn about! I had no idea about AMT implications - that could definitely throw off my calculations. My accountant mentioned I might be getting close to AMT thresholds as the business grows, but I didn't connect that to vehicle purchases. The state tax conformity issue is another great point. I'm in a state with high income taxes, so if they don't follow federal Section 179 rules, that could significantly impact the real savings. Do you know if there's a general rule of thumb for when AMT becomes a concern with Section 179 deductions? And did you end up keeping the truck or did you have to adjust your strategy after the AMT surprise?

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Leo Simmons

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Great question about AMT thresholds! There isn't a hard rule since AMT calculation depends on your total income, deductions, and various preference items, but generally you start to worry when your adjusted gross income approaches $200K+ (varies by filing status). I kept the truck since it was genuinely needed for business, but the AMT hit meant my effective tax savings were only about 28% instead of the 37% I calculated. Still worthwhile, but definitely changed the economics. For state conformity, about 15 states don't follow federal Section 179 rules fully. Some cap the deduction at much lower amounts ($25K is common), others require traditional depreciation. Your state's Department of Revenue website should have specifics, or your accountant can tell you immediately. One more thing - if you're considering financing vs. cash purchase, AMT affects that calculation too since you lose some interest deduction benefits under AMT. The tax code is definitely more complex than the online calculators make it seem!

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Vince Eh

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This thread has been incredibly eye-opening! As someone new to business ownership, I had no idea there were so many layers to consider beyond just "buy truck, get deduction." The AMT issue especially caught my attention since I'm projecting to hit around $180K in business income next year if things keep growing. I'm definitely going to have my accountant run those projections before I make any moves. Better to spend a few hundred on proper tax planning than get blindsided by unexpected complications later. One follow-up question - when you say about 15 states don't conform to federal Section 179, do you know if there's a good resource that lists them all? I want to make sure I understand my state's specific rules before getting too deep into vehicle shopping.

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Emma Taylor

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The Federation of Tax Administrators website has a good comparison chart showing which states conform to federal Section 179 rules and which don't. You can find it by searching "state tax conformity Section 179" on their site. Some of the major non-conforming states include California (caps at $25K), New York (limited conformity), and several others. But the rules change periodically, so definitely verify with your state's tax authority or your accountant. Since you're projecting $180K in business income, you're definitely in the range where AMT could become a factor, especially if you're taking other significant deductions. The good news is that proper planning can help you optimize the timing of major purchases to maximize your overall tax benefit across multiple years. Also consider that if you're growing rapidly, you might want to spread large deductions across tax years rather than front-loading everything in one year. Sometimes taking partial Section 179 plus regular depreciation gives better long-term results than going all-in on year one deductions.

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Javier Torres

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This is exactly the kind of comprehensive guidance I was looking for when I started this thread! Thank you Emma and everyone else who contributed. I had no idea about the state conformity issues or AMT implications - I was definitely oversimplifying the tax benefits in my original post. The Federation of Tax Administrators resource sounds perfect for checking my state's rules. And your point about spreading deductions across multiple years is really smart. I was so focused on maximizing year-one savings that I didn't think about the long-term tax strategy. Given that my business is still growing and I'm not sure exactly where my income will land next year, it sounds like getting those tax projections done first is absolutely critical. I'd rather spend money on proper planning upfront than deal with unexpected tax consequences later. This community has saved me from potentially making some expensive mistakes!

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Evelyn Kim

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As a tax professional who works with small business owners daily, I want to add one more critical consideration that hasn't been fully addressed - the importance of understanding your overall business tax strategy before making large Section 179 decisions. Many new business owners get excited about the immediate tax savings and don't consider how it fits into their multi-year tax planning. If you're in a lower-income year now but expect significant growth, you might actually benefit more from regular depreciation that spreads the deduction over several years when your tax rate will be higher. Also, Giovanni, since you mentioned you're in carpentry, make sure the vehicle you're considering truly qualifies as necessary business equipment. The IRS looks closely at vehicle deductions, especially for trades where a standard pickup truck might suffice instead of a more expensive model. The business necessity test is just as important as meeting the technical weight requirements. Finally, consider setting aside the tax savings you get from Section 179 in a separate account rather than treating it as "free money." If your business use percentage drops or you face an audit, you'll want those funds available. Smart tax planning means preparing for multiple scenarios, not just the best-case outcome.

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Camila Castillo

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This is such valuable perspective from a tax professional! As someone just starting to navigate business taxes, I really appreciate the point about multi-year planning versus just focusing on immediate savings. It makes total sense that if my income is going to grow significantly, spreading the deduction might be smarter long-term. Your point about business necessity is really important too. I was getting caught up in the technical requirements (6000+ lbs, 6-foot bed) but you're right that I need to be able to justify why I need that specific type of vehicle for carpentry work versus a basic work truck. The advice about setting aside the tax savings is brilliant - I hadn't thought about the risk of having to pay back deductions if my business use drops. That's definitely something I want to plan for rather than assume everything will stay the same year after year. Would you recommend getting this multi-year tax projection done before I even start shopping for vehicles, or is it better to have a specific vehicle/price in mind first so the projections can be more precise?

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