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Should I file Form 709 (gift tax) along with my 1040 tax return?

Hey tax folks, I'm in a bit of a situation here and need some advice. I made a substantial gift to my niece for her college tuition this year, and I'm pretty sure I need to file a Form 709 for gift tax purposes. What I'm confused about is whether I need to submit this form along with my 1040 tax return or if I can file them separately? My plan was to just e-file my 1040 through TurboTax like I usually do, and then mail in the Form 709 separately since I'm more comfortable filling that out by hand. Is this allowed or do they need to be bundled together somehow? This is my first time dealing with gift tax forms and I don't want to mess anything up. Any clarification would be super helpful!

You can absolutely file them separately! Form 709 (Gift Tax Return) and Form 1040 (Individual Income Tax Return) are completely independent filings with different deadlines and submission processes. Go ahead with your plan - e-file your 1040 through TurboTax and mail in your 709 separately. Just make sure your 709 is postmarked by the tax filing deadline (April 15th for most people). The IRS processes these forms independently, though they can cross-reference them in their systems. One important thing to note: Form 709 cannot be e-filed currently, so mailing it is your only option. Make sure to send it to the correct IRS address for your region, which you can find in the Form 709 instructions.

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Thanks for the info! Quick follow-up question - do I need to reference my 1040 filing somehow on the 709 form? Like include a copy of my 1040 or mention that I e-filed it? And do both forms need to use identical personal information (address, etc.)?

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You don't need to reference your 1040 on your 709 or include a copy of your 1040 with your 709 submission. The IRS will match them up using your Social Security Number. Yes, you should use identical personal information on both forms. Make sure your name, SSN, address and other identifying information match exactly what you used on your 1040 to avoid any processing delays or confusion.

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Just wanted to add my experience - I filed my Form 709 separately from my 1040 last year with no issues. The gift tax return has all the same filing deadlines as your regular tax return (normally April 15th), and you can request an extension for it using Form 8892 if needed. That extension is separate from the 1040 extension. One thing to remember is that each spouse who makes gifts needs to file their own separate Form 709 - they can't file jointly like with your 1040. My wife and I learned this the hard way when we gave our kids money for their down payments!

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If I file for an extension on my 1040, does that automatically extend the deadline for Form 709 too? Or do I need separate extensions for both forms?

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An extension for your 1040 does NOT automatically extend your Form 709 deadline. You need to file Form 8892 specifically to request an extension for your gift tax return. It's a common misconception, but these are treated as completely separate filings with separate extension processes. Make sure you submit Form 8892 by the tax deadline if you need more time for your gift tax return, even if you've already filed for an extension on your 1040.

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Does anyone know if TurboTax Premium can help with preparing Form 709? I already pay for the premium version for my rental properties, but I'm not sure if it includes gift tax returns.

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TurboTax can help prepare Form 709, but only in their desktop version (not online). And even then, the guidance is pretty minimal compared to what they provide for regular tax forms. I ended up having to read most of the IRS instructions myself anyway.

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I went through this exact situation two years ago when I helped my grandson with his student loans. The separate filing approach you're planning is totally fine - that's exactly what I did. One thing I'd suggest is keeping good records of both filings. I created a simple folder with copies of both my 1040 (after e-filing) and my mailed Form 709, along with all the supporting documentation for the gift. This made it super easy when I had a follow-up question from the IRS months later (nothing scary, just a routine clarification request). Also, don't forget that if your gift exceeds the annual exclusion amount, you're not necessarily paying any tax - you're just using up part of your lifetime exemption. That was the part that confused me the most initially. The Form 709 is more about tracking your lifetime gift totals than actually owing money in most cases. Good luck with your filing! It's really not as complicated as it seems once you get through it the first time.

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This is really helpful advice, especially about keeping good records! I'm dealing with a similar situation for the first time and feeling pretty overwhelmed by all the documentation requirements. Quick question - when you say "supporting documentation for the gift," what exactly did you need to include? I'm gifting money for my daughter's wedding expenses, so it's pretty straightforward, but I want to make sure I'm not missing anything important that might cause problems later. Also, did the IRS follow-up happen because of something specific, or was it just a random review? Trying to mentally prepare myself for what might come next!

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