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Ethan Moore

Should 401K tax withholding be this high on early withdrawal?

So I recently had to withdraw some money from my 401K because of a financial emergency. I know there are penalties for early withdrawal, but when I got the money, it seemed like they withheld WAY more for taxes than I expected. They took out about 30% total (20% for federal taxes and 10% for the early withdrawal penalty). I'm 42 and had to take out $12,000 to cover some unexpected medical bills that insurance wouldn't cover. I understand there's the 10% penalty for withdrawing before 59.5 years old, but the 20% federal tax withholding seems really steep. My normal tax bracket is only about 15% based on my annual income. Is this normal? Should the withholding really be this high? I'm wondering if I'll get some of this back when I file my taxes next year or if this is just what happens with 401K withdrawals. Any insight would be really appreciated!

The withholding you experienced is actually standard procedure for early 401K withdrawals. The 20% federal tax withholding is mandatory per IRS rules for these types of distributions - it's not optional for the plan administrator. The 10% early withdrawal penalty isn't technically being "withheld" - you'll calculate and pay that when you file your tax return. What likely happened is that your plan administrator withheld an additional 10% to help cover this eventual penalty, which is actually helpful so you don't get surprised with a big tax bill later. The good news is that the 20% withholding is just an estimate. When you file your taxes, the actual tax you owe will be based on your tax bracket for the year. Since your normal bracket is around 15%, you'll likely get some of that withholding back as a refund. The distribution will be added to your other income for the year to determine your final tax rate.

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Thanks for explaining! Quick question - could the medical expenses potentially qualify for an exception to the 10% early withdrawal penalty? I thought there was something about medical expenses over a certain percentage of income being exempt.

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Yes, there's definitely an exception for medical expenses! If your unreimbursed medical expenses exceed 7.5% of your adjusted gross income (AGI), you may qualify for an exception to the 10% early withdrawal penalty for the portion of your withdrawal used to pay those qualifying medical expenses. Keep all documentation showing that you used the withdrawal for medical expenses, including bills and proof of payment. You'll need to file Form 5329 with your tax return to claim the exception. However, even with this exception, the distribution is still subject to regular income tax at your normal tax rate.

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Just wanted to follow up - I tried taxr.ai after asking about it and wow, it was exactly what I needed! I uploaded my 401k distribution form and it immediately explained why the withholding seemed so high and what exceptions I might qualify for. It even created a personalized checklist of what documentation I need to save for tax time. The best part was it simulated my tax return with and without claiming the medical expense exception so I could see the actual dollar difference. Turns out I'll be getting about $1,200 back that I would have otherwise paid in penalties. Definitely recommend it if you're trying to figure out your 401k withdrawal tax situation!

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Just to add another data point - I had to withdraw from my 401k last year and yes, the 20% federal withholding is standard. But I actually had to pay MORE at tax time because that 20% wasn't enough to cover my actual tax bracket once the distribution was added to my other income. If you're normally in the 15% bracket, the extra $12,000 could potentially push some of your income into a higher bracket. Don't assume you'll get money back - might want to set aside a bit more just in case.

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Thanks for pointing that out! I hadn't considered that the additional 12k might push me into a higher bracket. Do you think I should make an estimated tax payment to be safe?

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Based on your situation, making an estimated tax payment might be smart, especially if the $12,000 pushes your total income significantly higher than normal. If you want to play it safe, you could calculate roughly how much additional tax you might owe beyond the 20% already withheld and make a quarterly estimated payment. This would help avoid any potential underpayment penalties when you file. Better to be prepared than surprised with a tax bill you weren't expecting.

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Random question - did your 401k provider give you any options about the withholding? When I took a hardship withdrawal they let me choose whether to have taxes withheld or not.

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That's not actually correct for 401k withdrawals. The 20% federal withholding is mandatory for 401k plans - administrators are required by law to withhold it. You might be thinking of an IRA withdrawal, where withholding IS optional. Big difference between the two account types regarding withholding rules.

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