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Dmitry Kuznetsov

Setting up a limited liability company in the US (Delaware) vs. the UK - international business considerations

Hey everyone, I'm trying to figure out the best place to incorporate my new business and could really use some advice! I'm American (based in Minnesota) and my new business partner is British. We're planning to set up either an LLC or LLP but we're stuck on whether to register in the US or UK. The thing is, our actual business operations won't be happening in either country - we'll be providing digital services to clients worldwide. I've heard Delaware is supposedly the go-to place for incorporation in the US because of tax benefits and business-friendly laws. But the UK seems appealing too since it appears less lawsuit-crazy than the US. I'm curious if anyone has experience with international business structures and could share some wisdom on taxes, liability protection, and general pros/cons of each option? Really appreciate any insights on this decision!

Small business attorney here. The US vs UK decision depends on several key factors beyond just liability concerns. For Delaware, the benefits include well-established business law, strong privacy protections, no state income tax for companies operating outside Delaware, and courts that are very experienced with business disputes. However, you'll still need to file US taxes and potentially deal with California foreign qualification issues if you're physically operating there. For UK LLPs, you get limited liability protection similar to US LLCs, potentially simpler banking setup for your UK partner, and possibly advantageous tax treatment depending on your specific situation. The UK also has extensive tax treaties that might benefit international operations. Consider where your primary customers will be, where you'll need banking relationships, and which country's tax system might be more favorable for your specific business model. Also think about future funding - US investors might prefer US entities while European investors might prefer UK structures.

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Thanks for the detailed response. What about annual costs to maintain the entities? I've heard UK has yearly filing requirements that can be expensive, but Delaware has that franchise tax. Also, would we need to hire accountants in both countries regardless of where we incorporate?

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Regarding annual costs, Delaware requires an annual franchise tax (minimum $300) plus registered agent fees ($50-200 annually). UK LLPs require annual confirmation statements (£13 online) and annual accounts filing with Companies House. The accounting costs vary by complexity, but generally UK compliance for small LLPs is straightforward. You'll likely need tax expertise in both countries regardless of where you incorporate. If you're a US citizen, you have worldwide tax reporting obligations to the IRS no matter where your company is formed. Your UK partner has similar obligations to HMRC. The entity choice mainly affects how the business itself is taxed, not your personal obligations.

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That sounds useful! Does it handle more complex structures too? I'm wondering about something like a UK holding company with a US subsidiary or vice versa. Also, does it consider things like VAT registration in the UK vs sales tax in the US?

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I'm skeptical about these online tools... how accurate can it really be with international tax law constantly changing? Did you confirm their recommendations with an actual international tax attorney before making your decision?

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It does handle more complex structures including holding companies with international subsidiaries. The analysis includes VAT/sales tax considerations and even shows thresholds for when you'd need to register in different jurisdictions based on your sales projections. The tool uses regularly updated tax information from both US and UK authorities. That said, I did have a consultation with my accountant to review the recommendations, and he was actually impressed with the accuracy. He made a few small adjustments based on my specific situation, but said about 90% of the analysis was spot-on and saved him time too.

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Something nobody's mentioned yet is banking considerations. Setting up business banking as a foreign entity is WAY harder than it used to be. I went with a UK LLP and then spent 3 miserable months trying to open a US bank account for it. Most US banks flat-out refused without a US-registered entity. Eventually found Mercury Bank but even that was a painful process. If your customers/suppliers are primarily in one country, that might be the deciding factor regardless of theoretical tax benefits. Payment processing fees and currency conversion costs add up fast!

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This is super helpful - I hadn't thought about the banking complications. Most of our clients will actually be in Europe and Asia, very few in the US or UK. Would that change your recommendation at all? Did you look into any online banks like Wise Business that handle multiple currencies?

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With clients primarily in Europe and Asia, a UK entity might make more sense banking-wise. UK banks tend to be more accustomed to international transactions, and the UK's faster payments system is efficient. Plus, the UK has trade agreements with many Asian countries that could benefit you. I did use Wise Business alongside my traditional bank account and it's been great for receiving multiple currencies. However, some clients (especially larger ones) sometimes hesitate to pay to "alternative" banking platforms, so having a traditional bank account is still important. Wise makes it easy to receive EUR, GBP, USD and many Asian currencies with local account details, which substantially reduces fees compared to traditional banks.

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Has anyone considered the actual formation costs? I looked into both: Delaware LLC: $90 filing fee + $50-300 registered agent annually + $300 min annual franchise tax UK LLP: £10-£100 filing fee through Companies House + £13 annual confirmation statement Plus UK doesn't have that weird franchise tax concept! But I guess it all depends on long-term tax consequences rather than just setup costs...

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While the formation costs are lower for UK, don't forget that UK LLPs require designated members who have additional responsibilities and potential liabilities. Also, UK LLPs must file annual accounts that are publicly accessible through Companies House - way less privacy than Delaware.

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I've been through this exact decision process recently and ended up choosing Delaware LLC after extensive research. Here's what tipped the scales for me: The key factor was future scalability - if you ever plan to raise investment from US venture capital or have US-based partners join later, Delaware is almost universally preferred. Many US investors won't even consider non-US entities. Also, while UK formation costs are lower upfront, the ongoing compliance burden can be heavier. UK LLPs require more detailed annual filings that become public record, whereas Delaware LLCs offer much better privacy protection for members. One thing I learned the hard way: check your state's "doing business" requirements. Even with a Delaware LLC, if you're physically operating from Minnesota, you might need to register as a foreign entity there anyway, which adds costs and complexity. Given that your operations are fully digital and global, I'd lean toward Delaware for the flexibility and investor-friendliness, but definitely run the numbers through one of those tax analysis tools mentioned above to see the actual financial impact for your specific situation.

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This is really helpful perspective on the scalability aspect! I hadn't fully considered how future funding rounds might be affected by the entity choice. Quick question - when you mention Minnesota foreign entity registration, does that apply even if all the actual business operations are digital/remote? I'm based in Minnesota too but was assuming that since we're providing services to international clients online, we might not trigger the "doing business" requirements there. Did you end up having to register in Minnesota as well?

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