Schedule C vs Schedule SE - what's the difference for a new self-employed filer?
So I'm just starting out with this whole self employment thing and taxes are totally confusing me already. I've been doing some research and keep running into these two forms - Schedule C and Schedule SE. From what I can tell I might need both? But I don't really understand what each one is for or if they're basically the same thing with different names. I've always had regular W-2 jobs before where taxes were just taken out automatically, but now I'm doing freelance graphic design and honestly have no clue what I'm doing with these tax forms. Can someone explain the difference between Schedule C and Schedule SE in simple terms? Do I need to fill out both? Are they connected somehow? Any help would be super appreciated because I'm pretty lost right now!
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Rajan Walker
Schedule C and Schedule SE serve different purposes but are both important for self-employed individuals. Schedule C (Profit or Loss from Business) is where you'll report all your business income and expenses. This is where you calculate if you made a profit or had a loss from your self-employment activities. You'll list all the money you earned as a freelance graphic designer and deduct eligible business expenses like software, equipment, marketing costs, etc. The bottom line of Schedule C shows your net profit or loss. Schedule SE (Self-Employment Tax) is used to calculate the self-employment tax you owe. When you work for an employer, they pay half of your Social Security and Medicare taxes. As a self-employed person, you're responsible for both halves, which is what the SE tax covers. The amount you calculate on Schedule SE is based on the net profit you reported on Schedule C. So yes, you'll need to complete both forms. First Schedule C to determine your profit, then Schedule SE to calculate the self-employment tax on that profit.
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Nadia Zaldivar
•Thanks for explaining! So just to make sure I understand - Schedule C is like reporting my business stuff and Schedule SE is for calculating how much extra tax I pay because I don't have an employer? Also, if I have a loss on Schedule C does that mean I don't have to pay the self-employment tax at all?
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Rajan Walker
•That's exactly right about the purpose of each form - Schedule C reports your business income and expenses, while Schedule SE calculates the self-employment tax that replaces the Social Security and Medicare taxes that employers typically handle. If you have a net loss on Schedule C (meaning your business expenses exceeded your income), then you generally won't owe any self-employment tax for that year. The SE tax only applies to profits, so no profit means no SE tax. However, you'll still need to file both schedules to properly document your business activities and losses.
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Lukas Fitzgerald
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Tate Jensen
One thing nobody mentioned yet about Schedule C vs Schedule SE is that Schedule C impacts your regular income tax while Schedule SE is just for Social Security and Medicare. The profit from Schedule C gets added to your other income (like W-2 wages) on your 1040, which affects your income tax bracket. Then Schedule SE calculates a separate 15.3% tax on that same profit. So the amount you calculate on Schedule C affects BOTH your income tax and your self-employment tax. That's why maximizing legitimate business deductions on Schedule C is so important - it reduces both types of taxes!
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Nadia Zaldivar
•So does that mean I'm basically getting taxed twice on my self-employment income? Once for regular income tax and then again for this self-employment tax? That seems really unfair compared to regular employees!
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Tate Jensen
•It's not exactly double taxation, but I understand why it feels that way. Regular employees pay income tax on their wages, and they also pay Social Security and Medicare taxes (7.65% of their wages). The difference is that their employer pays another 7.65% that you never see on your paystub. As a self-employed person, you pay income tax just like everyone else, but you also have to pay both halves of Social Security and Medicare (the employee AND employer portions), which totals 15.3%. That's what Schedule SE calculates. The good news is you can deduct half of your self-employment tax on your 1040, which helps offset this a bit.
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Adaline Wong
I'm still confused about something. If I have a full-time W-2 job but also do some freelance work on the side, do I still need to fill out both Schedule C and Schedule SE? Or is Schedule SE only if ALL your income is from self-employment?
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Rajan Walker
•You would still need both Schedule C and Schedule SE for your freelance work, even if you have a W-2 job. Schedule C reports the profit/loss from just your freelance activities, and Schedule SE calculates self-employment tax on that profit. Having W-2 income doesn't change the requirement to pay self-employment tax on your freelance profits. However, there is one potential benefit: if your W-2 wages already exceed the Social Security tax wage base ($168,600 for 2025), then on Schedule SE you would only pay the Medicare portion (2.9%) of self-employment tax on your freelance income, not the full 15.3%.
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Adaline Wong
•Thanks for explaining that! So even small side gigs need both schedules. Good to know about the Social Security wage base thing, though my day job definitely doesn't pay me that much so I'll probably have to pay the full 15.3% on my freelance income. Do I need separate Schedule Cs if I have different types of freelance work? Like I do some graphic design but also sell photos online.
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Yuki Sato
•For different types of freelance work, you can usually combine them on one Schedule C if they're related business activities. Graphic design and selling photos online could reasonably be considered related creative services, so you'd likely put both on the same Schedule C under something like "Creative Services" or "Digital Media Services." However, if the businesses are completely unrelated (like if you also drove for Uber or did landscaping), you'd need separate Schedule Cs for each distinct business type. The key is whether the activities are part of the same general business or completely different ventures. Either way, you'd still only need one Schedule SE - it calculates self-employment tax on the combined net profit from all your Schedule C forms.
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Giovanni Gallo
As someone who just went through this exact confusion last year, I totally get how overwhelming it feels! The key thing that helped me understand is thinking of it this way: Schedule C is your business report card (did you make money or lose money?), and Schedule SE is your "pay into Social Security and Medicare" form. When you had W-2 jobs, your employer automatically took out money for Social Security and Medicare from each paycheck. Now that you're self-employed, YOU have to calculate and pay that yourself - that's what Schedule SE does. It takes the profit number from your Schedule C and calculates how much you owe. One tip that saved me a lot of stress: keep really good records of ALL your business expenses throughout the year. Software subscriptions, equipment, even a portion of your internet bill if you work from home - these all reduce your Schedule C profit, which then reduces both your regular income tax AND your self-employment tax. I wish someone had told me that from the start! Don't worry, it gets easier once you do it the first time. The forms are actually pretty straightforward once you understand what each one is for.
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Yara Sabbagh
•This is such a helpful way to think about it! The "business report card" analogy really clicks for me. I've been keeping some receipts but probably not as organized as I should be. Do you have any suggestions for tracking expenses throughout the year? I'm worried I'm already missing deductions since I started freelancing a few months ago. Also, when you mention internet bills - is that something you can partially deduct even if you use the same internet for personal stuff too?
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