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S Corp Investment - Using Business Funds vs Personal Income for Stock Market

Hey everyone, I own an S Corporation that I run as the sole owner. Currently, I'm investing about 10% of my personal income (after-tax money) into SPY ETFs. I've been thinking about this situation lately and wondering if I'm going about this all wrong. Since I'm planning to buy and hold SPY/VOO for the long term anyway, wouldn't it make more financial sense to purchase these investments directly through my S Corp using pre-tax business funds instead of using my post-tax personal income? Just trying to figure out if there's a smarter approach here from a tax perspective. Anyone have experience with this or knowledge about the pros and cons? Thanks for any insights!

This is actually a pretty important distinction. While it might seem more efficient to invest through your S Corp using pre-tax dollars, there are several considerations to be aware of. S Corp earnings pass through to your personal tax return, so the money is ultimately taxed at your individual rate regardless of whether it stays in the business or gets distributed to you. The bigger issue is that investments held within your S Corp could create problems with the company's status and purpose. If your S Corp starts holding significant investment assets unrelated to its business purpose, the IRS might question whether it's operating as a business or as an investment vehicle. This could potentially trigger Personal Holding Company tax issues or even jeopardize your S Corp election altogether. Generally, it's cleaner to take reasonable compensation from your S Corp, distribute additional profits as distributions, and then invest personally. This keeps your business activities and investment activities properly separated.

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But what if the investments are actually part of a business strategy? Like if I'm saving up for equipment or expansion? Is there a limit to how much cash/investments an S Corp can hold before the IRS gets suspicious?

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If the investments are legitimately for business purposes like future equipment purchases or expansion capital, that's different from personal investment strategies. The IRS looks at whether the investments are reasonably connected to the business's actual operations and needs. There's no specific dollar limit, but rather they look at patterns and intent. If you're accumulating earnings far beyond what's reasonable for business needs, that could potentially trigger accumulated earnings tax issues. The key is documentation - make sure your board minutes or business plans clearly state why you're holding these investments and how they connect to specific business goals.

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How does this work exactly? Does it just give generic advice or does it actually look at my specific S Corp situation? Because I'm getting conflicting advice from different accountants.

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Sounds like another tax service that promises the world. What makes this different than just talking to a CPA who knows S Corps? Not trying to be negative, just skeptical after being burned before.

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One thing nobody's mentioned is the Accumulated Earnings Tax. If your S Corp holds too much cash/investments beyond what's needed for the business, the IRS could potentially hit you with this. It's designed to prevent using corps as tax shelters by hoarding profits inside the business.

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But I thought the Accumulated Earnings Tax only applied to C Corps, not S Corps? Isn't the whole point of S Corps that income passes through regardless of whether you distribute it?

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You're right, and I should have been more precise in my explanation. The Accumulated Earnings Tax specifically applies to C Corporations, not S Corporations. S Corps have pass-through taxation, meaning the income is taxed at the shareholder level regardless of whether it's distributed. However, S Corps can still face scrutiny if they're holding investments unrelated to business purposes. The concern becomes more about whether the business is operating as a legitimate operating company versus functioning as an investment vehicle, which could potentially jeopardize S Corp status in extreme cases. It's a different issue than accumulated earnings tax, but still something to be cautious about.

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Has anyone successfully used their S Corp to invest in the market without problems? My accountant suggested creating a separate investment LLC owned by the S Corp instead of direct investing.

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I did something similar but was advised to have the investment LLC owned by me personally, not by the S Corp. This kept the investment activities completely separate from the business activities and avoided any questions about business purpose.

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