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Michael Green

Roth IRA contribution limits when Married Filing Separately - income exceeding $10k threshold

I just got hit with a nasty surprise while doing my taxes (40m) - turns out when you're married filing separately, you can't contribute to a Roth IRA if your income is over $10k! This feels like a huge setback for my retirement planning. My wife and I typically file separately because under the new SAVE plan for student loans, I can exclude her income on my repayment calculations. This has been reducing my monthly student loan payment significantly (around $1,100/month). I have about 2 more years until my loans qualify for forgiveness. Last year I made about $139k and my wife earned around $89k. Now I'm stuck choosing between: 1) File separately to keep my lower student loan payments 2) File jointly to be able to contribute to my Roth IRA This feels like a lose-lose situation. Has anyone dealt with this before? What would you do in my shoes? Is there any workaround I'm missing?

Mateo Silva

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You've discovered one of those frustrating tax rule quirks that trip up a lot of people. The income limit for Roth IRA contributions when married filing separately is indeed just $10,000, and it phases out completely at that level if you lived with your spouse at any point during the year. Have you considered a backdoor Roth IRA? This is where you contribute to a traditional IRA (which doesn't have the same income restrictions for contributions, though the deductibility might be limited) and then convert it to a Roth. The conversion itself doesn't have income limitations. Another option to consider: calculate both scenarios with actual numbers. How much will you save over the next two years with reduced student loan payments versus the tax advantages of Roth contributions? Sometimes when you run the numbers, the answer becomes clearer. Also, remember that you can always contribute to a traditional 401(k) if your employer offers one, regardless of your filing status.

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I keep hearing about this backdoor Roth thing, but doesn't it have tax implications? Like, wouldn't you pay taxes on the conversion? Also, wondering if OP has access to an HSA - that's another tax-advantaged account that might help.

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Mateo Silva

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With a backdoor Roth, you would pay taxes on any earnings between the time you contribute to the traditional IRA and when you convert it to a Roth. That's why many people do the conversion immediately after contributing to minimize those taxes. If you make a non-deductible contribution to a traditional IRA (because your income is too high for a deduction), you've already paid tax on that money, so you're only taxed on any growth. HSAs are excellent tax-advantaged accounts if OP has access to a high-deductible health plan. They offer triple tax advantages: tax-deductible contributions, tax-free growth, and tax-free withdrawals for qualified medical expenses.

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Cameron Black

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Cameron Black

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I was skeptical about taxr.ai at first (see my comment above), but I decided to try it since I was completely stuck on whether to do MFS or MFJ with our student loans in the mix. Honestly, I'm really glad I did! The analysis showed that in our specific situation, filing separately would save us about $18k in student loan payments over the next two years, which was WAY more than what we'd benefit from Roth contributions. They suggested maximizing my 401k instead (which isn't affected by filing status) and showed how that would actually be better for our overall retirement picture given our tax brackets. For anyone struggling with the married filing separately vs. Roth IRA contribution issue, definitely worth checking out. Saved me from making what would have been an expensive mistake.

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Ruby Garcia

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Ruby Garcia

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Just wanted to follow up - I ended up trying Claimyr after posting my skeptical reply above. I honestly can't believe it worked. After weeks of failing to get through to the IRS about my MFS/Roth IRA situation, I had an actual IRS representative on the phone within about an hour. The agent confirmed that yes, the $10k Roth IRA income limit for MFS is correct, but also explained some nuances about timing if you're planning to change filing status in future years. She pointed me to some specific forms and publications I needed that specifically address this situation. For anyone in a similar position with the married filing separately/Roth IRA conflict, getting definitive answers directly from the IRS was actually really helpful. Saved me from making some assumptions that could have caused problems later.

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Have you looked into a Solo 401k? If you have ANY self-employment income (even just a small side gig), you can open one and contribute regardless of your filing status. The contribution limits are actually higher than IRAs too. My wife and I file separately for similar student loan reasons, and this has been our workaround for retirement savings. I do some freelance work on the side that generates about $5k a year, and that's enough to qualify for opening a Solo 401k where I can contribute way more than a Roth IRA would allow.

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Michael Green

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I hadn't considered that angle! I do have a small photography side business that brings in around $3-4k annually. How complicated is it to set up a Solo 401k? And can I still contribute to my employer's regular 401k at the same time?

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It's surprisingly straightforward to set up a Solo 401k. Most major brokerages offer them - I use Fidelity and the setup took maybe 30 minutes online. You'll need to have some documentation of your self-employment income when you file taxes. Yes, you can absolutely contribute to both your employer's 401k and your own Solo 401k simultaneously. There's a combined employee contribution limit across all your 401k accounts ($22,500 in 2023 plus $7,500 catch-up if you're over 50), but the amazing part is that you can also make employer contributions to your Solo 401k as your "business." The calculation gets a bit complex but it's roughly 20% of your net self-employment income.

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Maya Lewis

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I think everyone's overlooking that the student loan forgiveness is only 2 years away. If I were in your shoes, I'd probly just focus on that short term goal. 2 years of missing Roth contributions isnt gonna destroy your retirement. Have you ran the actual numbers? $1100/month savings on student loans for 24 months = $26,400 saved. That's WAY more than 2 years of max Roth contributions ($6k x 2 = $12k). Just sayin, might be worth taking the hit on retirement contributions to get that sweet loan forgiveness.

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Isaac Wright

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That's a good point, but don't forget about the lost growth on those Roth contributions over time. $12k invested for 25 years at 7% is around $65k. Still might be worth it for the loan forgiveness, but the opportunity cost is higher than just the contribution amount.

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Ethan Brown

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This is such a common dilemma for married couples with student loans! I went through the exact same situation a few years ago. Here's what I learned from my research and experience: The $10k income limit for Roth IRA contributions when married filing separately is brutal, but there are definitely workarounds worth considering: 1. **Backdoor Roth IRA** - As mentioned by others, this is probably your best bet. You contribute to a traditional IRA (non-deductible) and immediately convert to Roth. No income limits on conversions. 2. **Maximize your employer 401k** - This isn't affected by filing status, and many plans now offer Roth 401k options too. 3. **HSA if available** - Triple tax advantage and can be used as retirement account after age 65. For the student loan piece - definitely run the numbers on the total savings vs. opportunity cost. But honestly, with only 2 years left until forgiveness and $1,100/month savings, that's probably the financially smart move short-term. One thing to consider: can you and your wife adjust withholdings or estimated payments to get closer to that $10k threshold for next year? Sometimes small tweaks to pre-tax contributions can help you stay under limits while still optimizing the overall strategy. The Solo 401k suggestion is brilliant if you have any 1099 income!

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Sergio Neal

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This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar boat but hadn't thought about adjusting withholdings to get closer to the $10k threshold. How exactly would that work? Like, if I'm at $139k income, would increasing my 401k contributions enough to get my AGI down to $10k actually be feasible? That seems like it would require contributing almost all of my income, which doesn't sound realistic. Or am I misunderstanding how the income calculation works for the Roth IRA limits?

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