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Mia Alvarez

Receiving a Capital Gains Tax Bill for ESOP Shares I Haven't Sold Yet - Is This Normal?

So my workplace just hit me with something I don't understand. They're asking me to pay capital gains tax on my ESOP stock shares that I've exercised but haven't sold yet. They gave me two options: either have the total tax amount taken out of my paychecks over 9 months (which works out to 18 payments since we get paid twice monthly), or just write them a check for the full amount right now. Here's what's confusing me - I haven't sold ANY of these shares, so why am I being asked to pay capital gains taxes in advance? Is this a normal process for ESOP plans? Do employees typically have to pre-pay capital gains taxes before actually selling shares? Also, I'm worried about what happens if I eventually have to sell my shares at a price lower than whatever value they're calculating these taxes on. Would I get a refund or something? The whole situation seems weird, and I'd really appreciate any insight from someone who understands ESOPs better than I do.

What you're describing sounds unusual for a typical ESOP (Employee Stock Ownership Plan). In most ESOPs, you don't "exercise" shares - they're allocated to you based on a formula, and you don't pay taxes until distribution. I think you might be confusing an ESOP with an ESPP (Employee Stock Purchase Plan) or stock options. In these plans, there can sometimes be tax implications upon exercise, particularly if there's a discount or if they're Non-Qualified Stock Options. For stock options, when you exercise them, the difference between the exercise price and the fair market value can be taxable income (not capital gains), which your employer might be required to withhold taxes for. This is ordinary income tax, not capital gains tax. True capital gains taxes only come into play when you actually sell shares at a profit. Your employer wouldn't normally collect these - you'd report them on your personal tax return. I'd recommend clarifying exactly what type of equity plan you have with your HR or benefits department. Ask them to explain specifically why taxes are due now and what type of taxes these are.

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Thanks for the response. I double-checked my documents and you're right - it's actually an ESPP, not an ESOP. That explains a lot of my confusion. So with an ESPP, is it normal to pay taxes on shares I've purchased through the plan before I sell them? The tax amount they're asking for is pretty substantial.

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For an ESPP, it depends on the specifics of your plan, but there are typically two tax events. First, if you're buying shares at a discount, that discount might be considered taxable income when you purchase (not capital gains). For example, if you can buy $1000 worth of stock for $850, that $150 discount might be taxable immediately as ordinary income. The second tax event occurs when you actually sell the shares - that's when true capital gains tax would apply. The capital gain is calculated as the difference between your sale price and your cost basis (usually what you paid plus any discount already taxed as income). What sounds unusual is them calling it "capital gains tax" if you haven't sold. Ask HR specifically what tax this is and have them show you where in the plan documents it explains this withholding requirement.

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How exactly does that work? Does it just analyze PDF documents or what? My company gives us these complicated equity statements and I never know if I'm understanding them correctly.

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I'm skeptical about these kinds of services. Couldn't you just call your company's benefits department and get the same information for free? Why pay for something when the information should be provided by your employer?

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If you're having trouble getting clear answers from your company about the ESPP tax situation, you might want to try contacting the IRS directly. I know that sounds intimidating, but I had a similar issue last year and needed to speak with someone who actually knew the tax code. I tried calling the IRS for days without getting through, then I discovered https://claimyr.com which held my place in the IRS phone queue and called me when an agent was about to pick up. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c The IRS agent I spoke with explained that companies sometimes withhold taxes on the "spread" or discount when you exercise or purchase shares, but they should be very clear about what type of tax is being withheld. The agent told me exactly what forms to request from my employer to verify the proper tax treatment.

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that there's a crucial difference between RSUs (Restricted Stock Units) and ESPPs. With RSUs, there's typically withholding at vesting because that's a taxable event (ordinary income). With ESPPs, taxation gets more complicated. If your ESPP has a "lookback provision" where you get to purchase at a discount from either the beginning or end of the offering period (whichever is lower), there can be additional tax implications. The discount is always taxable as ordinary income, but depending on whether you do a qualifying or disqualifying disposition, the timing and treatment of taxes varies. From what you've described, it sounds like your company might be withholding for the discount portion, but calling it capital gains tax, which is confusing you. I'd ask for documentation that specifically explains what portion of your purchase is being taxed and under what section of the tax code.

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Can you explain what a "qualifying or disqualifying disposition" means? The tax document they sent me does mention something about a "disqualifying disposition" but doesn't explain what that means.

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A qualifying disposition means you held the ESPP shares for both: 1) at least 1 year after the purchase date, and 2) at least 2 years after the offering date (when the purchase period began). If you meet both holding periods, you get more favorable tax treatment. A disqualifying disposition means you sold before meeting either of those holding periods. In that case, the entire discount gets taxed as ordinary income. It's strange they're mentioning "disqualifying disposition" if you haven't sold yet. That term typically only applies when you actually sell the shares. This reinforces my suspicion that there's a communication problem or misunderstanding with your benefits department. I'd specifically ask them why they're referencing a disqualifying disposition when you still hold the shares.

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Has anyone considered that this might actually be a prepayment of taxes that the company is facilitating, rather than requiring? Some companies offer this as a service to help employees avoid a big tax bill later. If the ESPP discount is substantial, or if there was a big jump in stock price during the offering period, there could be a significant taxable event even before selling. The company might be offering to withhold taxes now to help spread out the impact rather than having employees face a surprise tax bill next April. I'd ask if this withholding is mandatory or optional. If it's optional, it might actually be a beneficial service they're providing.

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This is an excellent point. My company does something similar - they provide an optional tax withholding program for equity compensation. They calculate the projected tax impact and let us choose whether to have extra withholding throughout the year. It's actually really helpful for cash flow management.

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