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Keisha Johnson

RSU Tax Question: Can I Offset with Capital Loss Carryover?

I just completed my first year at my new job and finally had my first batch of RSUs vest. I'm trying to understand the tax implications here. When those RSUs are delivered on the vest date, I know there's income tax due - but I'm wondering if I can use my existing capital loss carryover to offset this? Here's my situation: I've accumulated about $55,000 in capital loss carryover from some really bad stock investments last year. Now I've got these RSUs vesting with a taxable value around $27,000. Can I apply my capital loss carryover against the RSU tax? Like would my remaining capital loss carryover become $28,000 (plus the standard $3,000 I can deduct annually)? Or are these completely separate things in the tax code? I've tried researching but getting conflicting information. Any help would be appreciated!

Paolo Longo

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The tax on RSUs at vesting is considered ordinary income, not capital gains, so unfortunately you cannot offset it with your capital loss carryover. These are treated as completely different types of income/loss in the tax code. When RSUs vest, the value is reported on your W-2 as compensation income - basically treated the same as if your employer had paid you that amount in cash. Capital loss carryovers can only offset capital gains (plus the $3,000 you can use against ordinary income each year). If you later sell those RSU shares at a price different from their value on the vesting date, then that difference would be a capital gain or loss that could be offset by your carryover losses.

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CosmicCowboy

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Thanks for explaining. So just to be clear, if I decide to hold onto these RSU shares after vesting and let's say they drop in value when I eventually sell them, *that* loss could be added to my capital loss total, right? But the initial tax hit when they vest is just unavoidable regular income tax?

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Paolo Longo

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Yes, the initial tax at vesting is unavoidable ordinary income tax, just like your regular salary - it will show up on your W-2. If you hold the shares after vesting and they drop in value when you sell them, that loss would indeed be a capital loss that could be added to your existing capital loss carryover. The cost basis for those shares would be the fair market value on the day they vested (the same amount that was included in your W-2 income).

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Oliver Schulz

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Amina Diallo

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NeonNebula

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One important thing to note about RSUs and taxes that isn't mentioned yet - if your company doesn't do automatic sell-to-cover for tax withholding, make sure you have enough cash set aside to pay the tax bill at tax time! I learned this the hard way when my RSUs vested, company withheld some shares for taxes but not enough, and I ended up owing a bunch at tax time. The capital loss carryover will help offset any gains if you sell the shares later, but can't help with that initial income tax hit except for the $3k against ordinary income you mentioned.

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Do companies typically withhold at the supplemental wage rate (22% federal I think)? If your actual tax bracket is higher, I imagine you'd still owe quite a bit at tax time, right?

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NeonNebula

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Yes, most companies withhold at the supplemental wage rate of 22% for federal (up to $1 million, then it's 37%). If you're in a higher tax bracket, you'll definitely owe more at tax time. For example, if you're in the 32% federal bracket, you'll still owe an additional 10% on that RSU income. This catches a lot of people by surprise. Some companies let you elect a higher withholding rate, which I now do every year to avoid the surprise tax bill. State taxes are another consideration too, especially in high-tax states.

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Ravi Malhotra

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For anyone trying to understand RSU taxation, here's a simple breakdown: 1) When RSUs vest: Taxed as ordinary income (appears on W-2) 2) When you sell those shares later: Taxed as capital gain/loss (difference between vest price and sell price) So OP - your $55k capital loss carryover can't offset the initial RSU income tax, but it can offset any capital gains if you sell those RSU shares at a profit later. And remember you can use $3k of that loss against ordinary income each year.

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What about if your company is pre-IPO? I have RSUs but the company isn't public yet, so there's no withholding happening at vest. Do I still pay tax on the "value" even though I can't sell the shares?

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Ravi Malhotra

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For pre-IPO companies, it depends on whether your RSUs have a "double-trigger" vesting provision, which is common for private companies. Typically, these RSUs require both time-based vesting AND a liquidity event (like an IPO) before they're actually taxable. If that's the case, you don't pay tax when they initially vest by time - you only pay when both conditions are met (usually at IPO). This is specifically to avoid the situation where you'd owe tax on shares you can't sell yet. However, once the company goes public and your RSUs fully vest, you'll pay ordinary income tax on their value at that point.

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Omar Farouk

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Another thing to consider with RSUs - if you hold the shares after vesting and sell within a year, any gain/loss is short-term capital gain/loss. If you hold more than a year after vesting, then it becomes long-term capital gain/loss. This matters because short-term capital gains are taxed at your ordinary income rate, while long-term capital gains get the preferential tax rates (0%, 15%, or 20% depending on your income level). So while your capital loss carryover can offset either type of gain, it might be strategically better to use it against short-term gains if you have both.

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Haley Stokes

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This is a really comprehensive discussion! I wanted to add one more consideration that might be helpful for OP and others - timing your RSU sales strategically with your capital loss carryover. Since you have $55k in capital loss carryover, you might want to consider holding onto those RSU shares after they vest and selling them strategically over multiple years. Here's why: if the shares appreciate and you sell them all at once for a big gain, you'll use up your entire loss carryover in one year. But if you spread the sales over several years, you can also take advantage of the $3k annual deduction against ordinary income each year. For example, if you sell $10k worth of gains each year, you'd offset that with your carryover losses AND still get to deduct $3k against your regular income each year. This way you're maximizing the tax benefit of those losses. Of course, this assumes you're comfortable with the investment risk of holding the shares longer. Just something to consider when planning your RSU strategy!

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