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Question: I made $52k as an Uber driver this year. I'll be owing just over $9k in taxes but I have 24,551 in business expenses

So I've been driving full-time for Uber this year and managed to pull in about $52k in total earnings. I just sat down to try figuring out my taxes using TurboTax and it's saying I'm going to owe around $9k in federal taxes (self-employment tax plus income tax). That seemed crazy high at first until I remembered I didn't have any withholding throughout the year. The good news is I've kept track of all my business expenses which add up to $24,551. This includes: - Gas (so much gas!) - Car maintenance - Car insurance - Cell phone bill (partial) - Car washes - Snacks for passengers - Part of my car payment (I use it 75% for Uber) I'm just wondering if there's anything I'm missing? This is my first year being self-employed and I want to make sure I'm deducting everything I can legally take. Also a bit worried about whether I should have been making quarterly payments... am I going to get hit with penalties too? I've never owed taxes before and honestly I'm kinda freaking out about that $9k bill. Any advice would be super appreciated!

You've got a good start with tracking your expenses, which is half the battle for self-employed folks! Let me break this down for you. First, those business expenses you listed should definitely help reduce your tax burden. When you file your Schedule C (Profit or Loss from Business), you'll report your gross income of $52k and then subtract all those legitimate business expenses. You'll only pay taxes on the net profit. About the car expenses - you actually have two options. You can either deduct the actual expenses as you've listed (gas, maintenance, insurance, and partial car payment), OR you can use the standard mileage deduction (58.5 cents per mile for 2023). You should calculate both and see which gives you the bigger deduction. Most Uber drivers find the standard mileage rate more beneficial, but it depends on your situation. Regarding quarterly estimated taxes - yes, self-employed individuals are expected to make quarterly payments if they expect to owe $1,000 or more. Since you didn't make these payments, you might face some penalties, but they're usually not too severe for first-time self-employed folks.

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If I use the standard mileage deduction can I still deduct things like car washes and snacks for passengers? Or is that all included in the standard rate?

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If you use the standard mileage rate, it covers all costs of operating your car including gas, maintenance, repairs, insurance, and depreciation. So you cannot separately deduct those expenses. You can still deduct business expenses not related to the actual operation of your vehicle. Car washes would be considered part of vehicle maintenance, so those would be covered by the mileage rate. However, snacks for passengers, cell phone expenses, and any other non-vehicle business expenses can still be deducted separately even when using the standard mileage rate.

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Don't forget to look into the Qualified Business Income deduction (Section 199A). As a self-employed person, you might be eligible to deduct up to 20% of your qualified business income. This is ON TOP OF your regular business expense deductions. Also, consider opening a SEP IRA or Solo 401k to reduce your taxable income even further. You can contribute significantly more to these retirement accounts as a self-employed person than you could to a traditional IRA, and the contributions are tax-deductible.

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I had no idea about the Qualified Business Income deduction! Is that something I can do myself in TurboTax or is it complicated? And for retirement accounts - can I still open one for 2023 or is it too late?

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TurboTax should walk you through the Qualified Business Income deduction automatically when you enter your self-employment income. It's calculated based on your business profit after expenses, so it's fairly straightforward. Just make sure you don't skip any sections when going through the software. For retirement accounts, you actually have until the tax filing deadline (April 15, 2024) to open and contribute to a SEP IRA for the 2023 tax year. So it's definitely not too late! For a Solo 401k, you would have needed to open the account by December 31, 2023, but you can still make contributions until the tax filing deadline. If you missed opening a Solo 401k for 2023, you could still open one for 2024.

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Is anyone else having trouble with the Uber tax summary? Mine shows a much lower mileage than what I actually drove. I tracked 32,000 miles but Uber only shows 24,500. This could mean thousands in missed deductions!

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Always track your own mileage with an app! Uber only tracks when you have a passenger or are en route to pick up. They don't track miles driving to hotspots or returning home after your last ride. I use Stride and it saved me over $2k in taxes last year from the extra miles.

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Hey Liv! I went through almost the exact same situation when I first started driving for Uber. That $9k tax bill sounds about right for $52k in earnings - self-employment tax alone is 15.3% on your net profit, plus regular income tax on top. A few things that might help you out: 1. **Double-check your mileage tracking** - Make sure you're capturing ALL business miles, not just what Uber reports. This includes driving to pickup locations, between rides, and heading home after your last ride of the day. 2. **Health Savings Account** - If you're eligible, you can contribute to an HSA which reduces your taxable income dollar-for-dollar. 3. **Equipment purchases** - Did you buy a phone mount, dash cam, or any other equipment for driving? Those are deductible too. 4. **Quarterly payments for next year** - Set aside about 25-30% of your earnings each quarter to avoid this shock next year. The IRS has a safe harbor rule - if you pay 100% of what you owed this year in quarterly payments, you won't get penalized even if you end up owing more. The penalty for not making quarterly payments usually isn't too bad for first-timers, especially if you file and pay on time. You've got this!

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