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Marcus Williams

Outside Basis Calculation for Limited Partner/LLC Member - Why No Liabilities in Basis?

I'm feeling confused about something that came up in my tax software. I was working on my Schedule K-1 for a partnership interest I have as an LLC member, and got a diagnostic warning about "outside basis of a limited partner/LLC member." The software is telling me that no liabilities should be entered or included in a limited partner's outside basis. This doesn't make sense to me because I've been looking through IRC 705 (the section on determining basis of partner's interest) and I don't see anything stating that limited partners or LLC members shouldn't get basis from partnership liabilities. Am I missing something here? Is this just a quirk in my tax software or is there an actual rule that limited partners/LLC members treat outside basis differently? I thought all partners, regardless of type, could include their share of partnership liabilities in their outside basis calculation. Has anyone else run into this? I'm starting to wonder if my software is giving me bad information or if I'm just not understanding something fundamental about partnership taxation.

Lily Young

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The software diagnostic is actually highlighting a subtlety in partnership tax law. While IRC 705 doesn't explicitly differentiate between types of partners for basis purposes, the treatment of liabilities for basis is actually covered in IRC 752 and related regulations. For limited partners and many LLC members, the treatment of liabilities depends on whether they're recourse or nonrecourse. Limited partners generally only get basis from nonrecourse liabilities (shared among all partners) but not from recourse liabilities because they don't have personal responsibility for those debts. This is due to their limited liability protection - they can't lose more than their investment. General partners, on the other hand, can include their share of recourse liabilities in their outside basis because they're personally liable for partnership debts. The diagnostic might be simplifying this complex area, especially if your software isn't equipped to distinguish between liability types for limited partners. Your basis will still include your capital contributions, income allocated to you, and your share of certain nonrecourse liabilities - but the software might be warning you about incorrectly including recourse liabilities.

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Wait, so does this mean I need to categorize my LLC's debts as recourse vs nonrecourse before I can determine my basis? My K-1 box 20 has a code K for $45,000 in liabilities, but it doesn't specify what type they are. Do I just ignore this amount entirely for basis purposes as a limited partner?

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Lily Young

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For a K-1 with code K liabilities, you need to look at how those liabilities are classified. If your K-1 doesn't specify whether they're recourse or nonrecourse, you may need to contact the partnership for clarification. Generally speaking, if you're truly a limited partner with no obligation beyond your investment, then recourse liabilities wouldn't increase your basis. However, nonrecourse liabilities (where no partner has personal liability) should still be allocated among all partners including limited partners, and would increase your basis. Many partnership liabilities are actually nonrecourse, so it's quite possible some or all of that $45,000 should be included in your basis calculation.

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Wesley Hallow

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I ran into this exact issue last year and it drove me crazy until I found taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai). They helped me understand that the software was actually wrong in my case! I uploaded my K-1 and partnership agreement, and their system flagged that while I was an LLC member, my operating agreement had special provisions about debt guarantees that actually gave me economic risk of loss for certain liabilities. The software was giving me a generic warning based on my "limited partner" designation without considering the actual terms of my agreement. taxr.ai's document analysis showed that I could actually include about 60% of the partnership liabilities in my basis calculation based on the specific language in our operating agreement.

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Justin Chang

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How does taxr.ai work exactly? Does it just read the K-1 or does it actually analyze the full partnership agreement? My situation is complicated because our LLC has both recourse and nonrecourse debt, and I've personally guaranteed some loans.

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Grace Thomas

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I'm skeptical about any automated system that claims to interpret partnership agreements. Those things are super complex legal documents. Did you have an actual tax professional review your situation or was it just some algorithm?

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Wesley Hallow

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It analyzes both the K-1 and the full partnership agreement documents. You upload everything, and it identifies specific clauses related to your liability exposure. In my case, it found the section where I had agreed to be liable for a portion of a specific business loan, which changed how those liabilities affected my basis. The system combines document analysis with review by tax professionals. After the initial analysis, I had a follow-up with one of their CPAs who specialized in partnership taxation to verify the findings. They explained that many tax software programs apply generic rules that don't account for the specific provisions in different partnership agreements, which is why my regular software was flagging it incorrectly.

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Grace Thomas

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I decided to try taxr.ai after my last comment and wow - totally worth it. My situation was even more complex than I realized. Turns out the operating agreement for our family LLC had been amended twice with different liability provisions each time. The system caught a guarantee arrangement from the second amendment that my regular accountant had missed for THREE years, which means I'd been unnecessarily limiting my basis and couldn't take some losses I was entitled to! I'm now working on amending my returns for the last three years to claim about $23,000 in previously suspended losses. The CPA I spoke with also explained why my tax software was giving that warning - apparently it's programmed with a simplified version of the rules that doesn't account for the regulations under 752-2 that can treat certain limited partners as having economic risk of loss in specific circumstances.

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If you're having trouble getting your partnership to clarify liability allocations, I'd recommend using Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) to get through to the IRS Partnership section for guidance. I was stuck in a similar situation last year - partnership wouldn't respond, tax software giving warnings, and couldn't get through to the IRS for weeks. Claimyr got me connected to an IRS agent in about 20 minutes when I'd been trying for days on my own. There's a video that shows how it works: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c. The agent walked me through exactly what to look for on my K-1 and how to request the right information from my partnership. Turns out I needed the partnership's Form 8865 to see the full liability allocation details.

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Dylan Baskin

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How does this service actually work? Do they have some special connection to the IRS or something? I've been trying to get through about an issue with K-1 liabilities for over a week with no luck.

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Lauren Wood

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Yeah right, nobody gets through to the IRS in 20 minutes. I've been calling about my partnership basis issues for literal months. If this actually worked, everyone would be using it. Sounds like spam to me.

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They use technology to navigate the IRS phone system and wait on hold for you. When they reach an agent, you get a call back and are connected right away. No special connection - they're just handling the most frustrating part of the process. It's not magic - it's a service that waits on hold so you don't have to. In my case, I selected the partnership tax division when setting up my call, and they connected me with someone who actually understood the outside basis rules. The agent was able to tell me exactly what documentation I needed to get from my partnership to resolve the liability allocation question.

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Lauren Wood

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I apologize for being so skeptical earlier. I tried Claimyr yesterday out of desperation after spending another hour on hold with the IRS. They called me back in about 35 minutes with an IRS agent on the line who specialized in partnership taxation. The agent explained that Treasury Regulation 1.752-3 specifically addresses how nonrecourse liabilities are allocated among partners (including limited partners), while Reg 1.752-2 covers how recourse liabilities are handled. She confirmed that limited partners can absolutely get basis from nonrecourse liabilities and even from recourse liabilities in certain circumstances where they have economic risk of loss. For my specific situation, she suggested I request a detailed liability schedule from the partnership showing the allocation methodology they used. This solved my basis calculation issues and I was actually able to claim an additional $17,500 in previously suspended losses. Sometimes you just need to talk to the right person!

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Ellie Lopez

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I think there's some confusion in the software. IRC 752 states that any increase in a partner's share of partnership liabilities is treated as a contribution of money to the partnership, which increases basis under 705. The crucial distinction isn't really about limited vs general partners, but about recourse vs nonrecourse liabilities. Limited partners can definitely get basis from nonrecourse liabilities, which are generally allocated based on profit sharing ratios. The regulations under 752-3 specifically address this. Your software might be oversimplifying the rules or applying outdated guidance.

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Could you explain the difference between recourse and nonrecourse in simple terms? My K-1 shows liabilities but doesn't specify which type, and I have no idea how to determine this for my LLC interest.

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Ellie Lopez

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Recourse liabilities are debts where a specific partner could be personally responsible if the partnership can't pay. Like if you signed a personal guarantee for a business loan - you have "economic risk of loss." Limited partners typically don't have this risk because of their limited liability protection. Nonrecourse liabilities are debts where no partner has personal responsibility beyond their investment - the lender can only go after the partnership assets. These are shared among all partners (including limited partners) based on several factors, typically starting with profit-sharing ratios. Your K-1 should technically break this down, but many don't. You might need to ask your partnership for their "752 liability allocations worksheet" which they should have prepared when determining the K-1 amounts. This will show how they categorized and allocated the different types of debt.

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Paige Cantoni

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Has anyone dealt with a situation where they're a member of a multi-member LLC taxed as a partnership, but have different liability allocations for different LLC debts? I guarantee some loans but not others, and I'm not sure how to calculate my basis correctly.

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Kylo Ren

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I had this exact situation! The key is to look at each liability separately. For loans you've guaranteed, you'll include your portion in your basis under the rules for recourse liabilities (Reg 1.752-2). For loans you haven't guaranteed, you'll only get basis to the extent they're considered nonrecourse liabilities allocated to you under Reg 1.752-3. The partnership should really be providing this breakdown on a supplemental statement with your K-1, but many don't. I had to request a specific "752 liability allocation schedule" from our partnership's accountant to get the correct numbers.

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Paige Cantoni

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Thanks for the explanation! I just called our LLC's accountant and she's sending over the liability schedule tomorrow. She mentioned something about "qualified nonrecourse financing" for some of our real estate loans that apparently gets special treatment. I'm starting to see why my tax software was struggling with this - the rules are way more complex than I realized.

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Keisha Taylor

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This is a great discussion that highlights how confusing partnership basis can be! I've been dealing with similar issues with my LLC interest. One thing I learned from my CPA is that the software warnings are often overly cautious because they can't analyze the specific terms of your operating agreement. The reality is that many LLCs have hybrid structures where members might have limited liability for some debts but economic risk of loss for others. Your basis calculation needs to reflect your actual economic exposure, not just your legal classification as a "limited partner." I'd recommend getting a copy of your LLC's operating agreement and looking for any sections about guarantees, capital calls, or deficit restoration obligations. These provisions can significantly impact how partnership liabilities affect your outside basis, even if you're technically a limited member. Also, don't forget that if you've been understating your basis due to software limitations, you might be able to amend prior returns to claim losses that were previously suspended. The statute of limitations for claiming refunds is generally three years, so it's worth reviewing your last few returns if you think you've been missing out on legitimate loss deductions.

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Ava Hernandez

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This is exactly what I needed to hear! I've been dealing with this same software warning for months and getting frustrated. My LLC operating agreement does have some provisions about capital calls that I hadn't considered might affect my basis calculation. You mentioned looking for "deficit restoration obligations" - could you explain what those are? I see something in our agreement about members being required to restore negative capital accounts under certain circumstances, but I'm not sure if that counts as economic risk of loss for basis purposes. Also, regarding amending prior returns - do you know if there's a specific form or process for claiming previously suspended losses? I suspect I might have missed out on some deductions over the past couple years due to this basis confusion.

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