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Jamal Washington

New graduate, how can I tell if I'm a dependent or independent for tax purposes?

Hey everyone, I just graduated from college in May (I'm 23) and moved out of my parent's house in August to start my first real job. Last year, my mom claimed me as a dependent on her tax return since I was still in school. Now I'm trying to help her with some paperwork for her green card renewal and we're stuck on the household size question. On her 2023 tax return, she claimed both me and my younger brother as dependents, so the household size was 3. But since I'm no longer living at home and I'm earning my own income now, I don't think I meet the criteria for being a dependent anymore. So here's my question - should she put 2 or 3 for household size on her application? And since I spent about half the year as a dependent and half as independent, how does that work for the current year's taxes? Will I file as independent for 2024 since I'm supporting myself now? I'm completely new to all of this tax stuff and just trying to make sure we do everything correctly.

Mei Wong

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The dependent status question can be confusing when you have mid-year changes! For your mom's green card renewal application, what matters is the current household composition, not what was on last year's tax return. Since you've moved out and are supporting yourself, her household size would now be 2 (just her and your sibling). For tax purposes, dependency status is determined based on the entire calendar year. Since you graduated in May and moved out in August, we need to look at the full year tests for 2024: Relationship test - you're her child, so that's met. Age test - you're under 24 and were a student for part of the year, so potentially met. Residency test - Did you live with her for more than half the year? Count temporary absences for education. Support test - This is key: Did you provide more than half of your own support for the ENTIRE year? If you'll earn enough from August-December to provide more than half your total year's support, you would file as independent for 2024. If not, she could still claim you as a dependent.

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Wait, I thought if you move out and start supporting yourself at any point, you automatically become independent for tax purposes? How do they calculate the "more than half your support" thing? Do I need to keep track of everything I spent before August vs after?

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Mei Wong

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The support test looks at the entire calendar year, not just when you moved out. You'll need to calculate the total cost of your support for the full year (January through December), including housing, food, education, medical expenses, clothing, transportation, etc. For January through August, you'd calculate what your mom provided plus what you provided for yourself. Then add what you provided from August through December. If the total amount you personally provided exceeds 50% of your total support for the year, you would file as independent. Many recent grads don't meet this threshold their first year out because the early months of parent support often outweigh their partial year of employment.

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PixelWarrior

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StormChaser

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - the household size question on immigration forms like green card renewals is different from tax dependency! For USCIS purposes, household size typically means people currently living in the household or who are financially dependent on or contributing to the household. Since you've permanently moved out and are supporting yourself, you wouldn't be counted in her current household for immigration purposes even if you were a tax dependent for part of the year. Double check the specific form instructions, but in most cases, the household size for immigration forms refers to the current situation, not what was filed on last year's taxes.

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Thank you for pointing this out! I was getting confused between tax definitions and immigration definitions. I just checked the form instructions and you're right - it's asking for current household members living with her or dependent on her. Since I'm no longer living there or dependent on her financially, it should be 2 people (her and my brother). This makes a lot more sense now. I think I was overthinking it because I was mixing up different definitions of "household" and "dependent" from different contexts.

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Dmitry Petrov

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Just a heads up that the "support test" for dependency includes some non-obvious things! When I was figuring this out for my daughter last year, I learned that "support" includes: - Housing costs (fair rental value of the home) - Food - Utilities - Clothing - Medical/dental care - Education - Transportation - Recreation - Personal items So even if you're making decent money since August, your mom might have provided more than half your yearly support when you count tuition, housing through August, health insurance, cell phone plan, etc.

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Ava Williams

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This is absolutely right. When my son graduated and moved out in June, we did the math and were surprised. His six months of starting salary at his new job still didn't outweigh what we had provided in the first half of the year when you factored in his last semester of college tuition, housing, health insurance, and car insurance. He thought for sure he'd be filing independently but when we actually tallied everything up according to IRS guidelines, we had provided about 60% of his total support for the year.

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This is such a common situation for new graduates! I went through the exact same thing two years ago when I finished school and started working. One thing that really helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet to track all the support calculations. I made columns for each month and listed out major expenses like tuition, housing, food, insurance, etc. Then I marked whether I paid it or my parents paid it. It was eye-opening to see how much support my parents actually provided in those first 8 months of the year, even though I felt completely independent once I started working. For the green card application, definitely go with the current household size of 2 since you're no longer living there. But for taxes, you'll likely still be a dependent for 2024 unless your August-December income was substantial enough to cover more than half your total yearly expenses. One tip: if you're on your parents' health insurance or car insurance, don't forget to include those monthly premiums in the support calculation. Those add up quickly and often push the total support over the 50% threshold in favor of the parents.

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Yuki Yamamoto

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This spreadsheet idea is genius! I'm definitely going to set one up because I've been trying to keep track of everything in my head and it's getting confusing. Do you have any tips on how to estimate things like food costs when I was living at home? I have no idea what my parents spent on groceries for me specifically during those first 8 months. Also, you're totally right about the insurance costs - I'm still on my mom's health and dental plan, and I never even thought about counting those monthly premiums. That's probably a few hundred dollars right there that I wasn't considering in the support calculation.

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