Need guidance on IRS Form 4684 for hurricane damage - Casualties and Thefts form delay
I'm working through my taxes and ran into something confusing. TurboTax asked if I experienced any federally declared disaster between January 2018 and December 2019 (can't remember the exact end date). My house had some significant damage from Hurricane Florence in September 2018, so I checked "yes" thinking I should report it. Now I'm at the final stages of filing my 2024 taxes, and TurboTax says I can't file yet because the IRS hasn't finalized Form 4684 for Casualties and Thefts. There's apparently some delay with this form and the details aren't settled yet. I'm confused about two things: First, since the hurricane damage happened back in 2018, why would it matter for my 2024 taxes? I already claimed disaster losses on my 2018 return, so it seems weird that Form 4684 would look at disasters from so far back. Second question - should I actually wait for this form to be finalized? Or would it be better to just go back and change my answer to say I didn't experience a disaster, so I can file now? I really don't want to wait around forever for the IRS to figure out what they're doing with Form 4684.
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Sophia Rodriguez
The confusion here is understandable! Form 4684 (Casualties and Thefts) can span multiple tax years depending on when you recognize the losses and whether you're in a federally declared disaster area. For hurricane damage in 2018, there are a few possible reasons it might still be relevant to your 2024 return. If you had insurance claims that weren't fully settled until recently, or if you discovered additional damage later, you might have some lingering deductions. Also, there are special provisions for federally declared disasters that allow you to spread certain losses across different tax years. The IRS does sometimes delay finalizing certain forms, especially if there are recent tax law changes affecting those areas. For Form 4684, there have been several modifications to disaster tax relief provisions in recent years. As for whether to wait or change your answer - it depends on your specific situation. If you truly did have casualty losses from that 2018 hurricane that are legitimately reportable on your 2024 return, removing them just to file faster could potentially leave money on the table or create inconsistencies if you're ever audited.
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James Johnson
•Thanks for the explanation! I'm still confused though - I thought all my Hurricane Florence losses were fully settled when I claimed them on my 2018 return. I didn't have any insurance claims that carried over, and I haven't found any new damage since then. Is there some other reason TurboTax would be asking about this now?
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Sophia Rodriguez
•If you claimed all your losses on your 2018 return and there's nothing new to report (no ongoing insurance settlements, no newly discovered damage), then you likely don't need to include anything about the 2018 hurricane on your 2024 return. TurboTax may be asking this question broadly to catch anyone who might have disaster-related deductions spanning multiple years, but if your situation was fully resolved in 2018, you could go back and change your answer. Just make sure you didn't have any related expenses in 2024 before changing your answer. Software sometimes asks questions that don't apply to everyone's situation, and this might be one of those cases for you.
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Mia Green
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Emma Bianchi
•Did it actually help you figure out if you needed to wait for updated forms? My TurboTax is also saying I can't file yet because of Form 4684 delays, but my situation is with wildfire damage from 2019. Just wondering if this tool actually gives useful answers or just general info I could find on the IRS website.
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Lucas Kowalski
•I'm skeptical about these tax AI things. How does it even work? Does it just search IRS documents or something? I've been burned by "helpful" tax tools before that ended up giving me completely wrong information about casualty losses.
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Mia Green
•It actually did help me determine I didn't need to wait. The AI showed me exactly which version of the form applied to my situation and confirmed that the "delay" message was specific to certain disaster types that didn't apply to me. Saved me weeks of unnecessary waiting. Regarding how it works - it's not just searching IRS documents. It analyzes your specific scenario against the latest tax code and IRS guidance. You can upload documents or describe your situation, and it identifies the specific provisions that apply to you. It's much more targeted than general website searches. I was skeptical too until I saw how precisely it addressed my exact casualty loss situation.
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Emma Bianchi
Update: I tried the taxr.ai site mentioned above for my Form 4684 question, and it was surprisingly helpful! I uploaded my previous year's return where I'd claimed some disaster losses and explained my current situation with the TurboTax delay message. The tool quickly identified that my specific disaster claim (2019 wildfire) wasn't affected by the current form delays, which apparently only impact certain 2023-2024 disasters. It showed me exactly which sections of Form 4684 I needed to complete and explained why TurboTax was giving me that warning message even though it didn't apply to my situation. I was able to override that warning in TurboTax and file my return without any issues. Definitely saved me from unnecessarily waiting around for form updates that weren't even relevant to my situation!
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Olivia Martinez
I dealt with this exact same problem last month! After Hurricane Ian damaged my rental property, I spent HOURS trying to reach someone at the IRS to clarify if I needed to file Form 4684 for this year too, even though the damage was from a previous year. After calling for three days straight and never getting through, I tried https://claimyr.com which got me connected to an actual IRS representative in about 20 minutes. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c The IRS agent explained that if I already claimed all losses related to the hurricane in the year it occurred (or elected to claim them in the prior year, which is an option for federally declared disasters), I didn't need to mark "yes" for the disaster question this year unless I had additional related expenses that carried over. Saved me from waiting weeks for a form I didn't even need!
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Charlie Yang
•How does Claimyr actually work? Do they just call the IRS for you or something? I don't understand how they can get through when nobody else can.
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Grace Patel
•Yeah right. Nobody can get through to the IRS these days. I've been calling about my disaster claim for THREE MONTHS with no luck. If this actually worked, everyone would be using it. Sounds like some kind of scam to me.
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Olivia Martinez
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Grace Patel
I need to admit I was wrong about Claimyr. After posting that skeptical comment yesterday, I was so desperate about my Form 4684 question that I decided to try it anyway. I got connected to an IRS tax specialist in about 35 minutes (way faster than I expected). The agent actually looked up my specific situation with the disaster claim and confirmed I didn't need to wait for the new form since my case fell under the previous year's guidelines. They even explained that I could file an amended return for the disaster year if I discovered additional losses later, rather than trying to claim them on this year's return. Would have saved me weeks of stress if I'd known this sooner! Just filed my return yesterday instead of waiting for form updates I didn't even need.
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ApolloJackson
Quick info that might help: I'm a volunteer tax preparer, and we've been seeing a lot of confusion about Form 4684 this year. Here's what's happening: The delay specifically affects the 2024 version of Form 4684 which has some new provisions for certain 2023-2024 disasters. If your hurricane damage was from 2018 and you already claimed those losses on your 2018 return (or your 2017 return if you elected for early relief), you generally don't need to include anything about that disaster on your 2024 return. The software is asking everyone the question, but it only really matters if you have NEW casualty losses to report this year OR if you have carry-forward losses from previous disasters that you're still deducting portions of. Try going back in your tax software and changing your answer to "No" for the disaster question. If you don't actually have any 2024 casualty losses to report, this should resolve the filing delay without affecting your return's accuracy.
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Isabella Russo
•Does this also apply if you had additional expenses related to the disaster in later years? Like if I had to pay for some hurricane repairs in 2022-2023 that weren't covered by insurance? My disaster was in 2018 too.
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ApolloJackson
•Great question! If you paid for additional repairs in 2022-2023 that were directly related to the 2018 hurricane AND weren't reimbursed by insurance, those would typically still be connected to the original casualty loss claim from 2018. For tax purposes, you generally need to claim casualty losses in the year the disaster occurred (or the previous year for federally declared disasters if you elected that option). Additional expenses in later years wouldn't usually create a new casualty loss deduction on your 2024 return, though they might affect your basis in the property for future calculations. If you had significant unreimbursed repairs from the original disaster that you never claimed, you might want to consider amending your 2018 return instead of trying to claim them now. There's a limited window for amendments though, so you'd want to check the deadline.
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Rajiv Kumar
Has anyone actually looked at the Form 4684 instructions? On page 4 it talks about losses in federally declared disaster areas and says there are special rules for them. Maybe thats why turbotax is asking about disasters from previous years?? idk the whole thing is confusing af
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Aria Washington
•Yes, the special rules for federally declared disasters allow you to claim the losses either in the year they occurred OR the previous tax year. It's basically giving you a choice of when to take the deduction. But I don't think it allows you to claim them years later on a totally different tax return unless there's some special carryover provision.
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Tyler Murphy
Based on what you've described, it sounds like you can safely change your answer to "No" for the disaster question. Since you already claimed all your Hurricane Florence losses on your 2018 return and have no new disaster-related expenses for 2024, there's no reason to involve Form 4684 on this year's return. The software is being overly cautious by asking about disasters from previous years, but that question is really meant to catch people who have ongoing casualty losses or carry-forward situations. If everything was settled in 2018, you're done with that disaster for tax purposes. I'd recommend going back in TurboTax, changing your answer to "No" on the disaster question, and filing your return. You won't be missing any deductions since you already took them in the correct year, and you'll avoid the unnecessary delay waiting for form updates that don't even apply to your situation.
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Logan Scott
•This makes perfect sense! I was overthinking the whole situation. Since I already claimed all my Hurricane Florence losses back in 2018 and don't have any new disaster-related expenses for 2024, there's really no reason for me to be dealing with Form 4684 at all this year. I'm going to go back and change my answer to "No" on that disaster question so I can finally file my return. Thanks for the clear explanation - sometimes the simplest answer is the right one!
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Mei Wong
I had a very similar issue with my 2024 return! TurboTax kept blocking me from filing because of the Form 4684 delay, even though my hurricane damage was from 2017. I spent way too much time researching this before realizing the software was just being overly broad with its questions. The key thing to understand is that the current Form 4684 delays only affect specific disaster provisions that were updated for recent disasters (mainly 2023-2024). If you already claimed all your Hurricane Florence losses on your 2018 return and have no new casualty losses for 2024, you can safely answer "No" to the disaster question. I changed my answer and filed without any problems. The IRS isn't going to flag you for not reporting a disaster that was already fully handled on a previous year's return. Sometimes tax software errs on the side of asking too many questions rather than missing something, but in this case it's just creating unnecessary confusion for people whose disasters were properly reported years ago.
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StarStrider
•This is really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the exact same situation! I was getting so stressed about potentially missing something important or making a mistake by changing my answer. Your point about tax software erring on the side of asking too many questions makes total sense - they'd rather ask everyone about disasters than accidentally miss someone who actually needs to report new losses. Since my Hurricane Florence situation was completely resolved in 2018 with no ongoing issues, I feel much more confident about going back and answering "No" to get past this filing block. Thanks for sharing your experience!
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Giovanni Martello
I went through this exact same frustration last year! The Form 4684 delay message in TurboTax can be really misleading when it applies to older disasters that were already properly reported. From what you've described, since you already claimed all your Hurricane Florence losses on your 2018 return and there are no ongoing insurance settlements or newly discovered damage, you should be able to change your answer to "No" on the disaster question without any issues. The current Form 4684 delays are specifically related to updates for certain 2023-2024 disasters, not older ones like Hurricane Florence from 2018. Tax software sometimes casts a wide net with these screening questions, but if your disaster was fully resolved years ago, there's no need to involve Form 4684 on your current return. I'd recommend going back in TurboTax, changing that disaster answer to "No," and filing your return. You won't miss any deductions since you already took them in the correct year, and you'll avoid unnecessary delays waiting for form updates that don't even apply to your situation.
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