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Nolan Carter

Need advice on Offer in Compromise (OIC) for substantial IRS tax debt

I've run my business into the ground and basically have zero income at this point. Already filed my taxes and they're currently being processed by the IRS, but I'm in a financial nightmare right now. I owe roughly $175k to the IRS but there's absolutely no way I can pay it. I lost almost everything in crypto investments last year, and all I have left is about $9500 which is disappearing every month just covering basic expenses. I want to submit an Offer in Compromise (OIC) but I'll need to do it myself since I can't afford any professional tax help right now. I know I need to get a job soon to cover my living expenses, but I'm wondering if having no income right now would actually help my Offer in Compromise get accepted? What's the best approach here? I'm completely lost and need serious guidance on this OIC situation. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Natalia Stone

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Based on your situation, an Offer in Compromise could be a viable option, but there are some important things you should know. The IRS evaluates OICs based on your ability to pay, income, expenses, and asset equity. Having no income doesn't automatically improve your chances - the IRS will look at your potential to earn income based on your work history and skills. They'll also examine your reasonable collection potential (RCP) over the remaining collection period. Since you have $9500 in assets, that would likely be your minimum offer amount, but could be higher depending on your future earning potential. The OIC process requires completing Form 656 and Form 433-A, along with a $205 application fee and initial payment (which can be waived if you meet low-income certification). I'd recommend contacting the Taxpayer Advocate Service - they provide free help with IRS issues and can guide you through the OIC process. Also consider reaching out to a Low Income Taxpayer Clinic (LITC) as they offer free or low-cost representation.

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Nolan Carter

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Thanks for the detailed response. I didn't realize the IRS would consider my potential income rather than just my current situation. Is there a typical percentage of the total debt they accept for OICs? And how long does the whole process usually take from submission to acceptance?

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Natalia Stone

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The IRS doesn't work with specific percentages for OICs - they base it entirely on your calculated Reasonable Collection Potential. Some people get approved for pennies on the dollar while others might need to offer 30-50% of their debt. It really depends on your specific financial situation and future earning capacity. The OIC process typically takes 6-9 months from submission to decision, though complex cases can take longer. During this time, collections are generally paused, which gives you some breathing room. Just be prepared for a thorough financial investigation and possibly multiple rounds of questions from the IRS.

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Tasia Synder

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After struggling with similar tax problems, I found this AI tool called taxr.ai that helped me understand my options better. I was completely overwhelmed by my tax debt and had no idea what documents to gather for my OIC application. Their document analysis showed me exactly what the IRS would be looking for in my financial situation and helped me prepare a much stronger OIC application than I could have done alone. The tool at https://taxr.ai basically scanned my financial info and gave me personalized guidance on what offer amount might be reasonable given my circumstances. Not saying it's magical but it definitely made the process less confusing for someone who couldn't afford professional help.

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Does this actually work for complicated situations like an OIC? I'm skeptical that AI can handle something that even tax pros struggle with. Did they accurately predict what the IRS would accept?

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I'm curious how this works with things like determining reasonable living expenses. The IRS has those weird tables that vary by county and family size. Does the tool account for those calculations?

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Tasia Synder

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For complicated situations like OICs, it actually did a pretty good job analyzing my financial documents and pointing out potential issues I hadn't considered. While it doesn't guarantee IRS acceptance, it helped me understand the realistic range I should be offering based on my assets and income potential. Regarding the living expense calculations, yes - it does incorporate the IRS standards for different counties and family sizes. It asks for your location and household info, then applies the appropriate allowable expense amounts when calculating your offer amount. That was actually one of the most helpful parts since those calculations get really confusing.

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I was super skeptical about using any online tool for my tax mess, but I did try taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here. Honestly, it was a game-changer for my OIC application. The document analysis showed me that I was calculating my reasonable collection potential all wrong - I was including expenses the IRS wouldn't allow. Their system helped me prepare a much more realistic offer based on my actual financial situation, and it pointed out documentation I was missing that would have gotten my application rejected. Just submitted my OIC last month and already passed the initial review stage, which is further than my first attempt ever got!

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Ellie Perry

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Landon Morgan

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Wait, so they just wait on hold for you? How does that even work? Do they have some special access to the IRS or something?

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This sounds like complete BS. Nobody can get through to the IRS these days. If it was that easy to get someone on the phone, everyone would be doing it. I'm calling scam on this one.

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Ellie Perry

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They don't have special access - they just have an automated system that waits on hold for you. When they reach an actual IRS agent, they connect you through a three-way call. The beauty is you don't have to sit there listening to the hold music for hours. I was definitely skeptical too. I had tried calling the IRS myself about 8 times and kept getting disconnected after waiting forever. With Claimyr, I got connected to an actual IRS agent who specialized in collections within about 2 hours. The agent explained exactly what they'd be looking for in my OIC application and cleared up some confusion I had about reporting my crypto losses properly. Was absolutely worth it for dealing with my $100k+ tax problem.

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I take back what I said about Claimyr. I was so frustrated after getting disconnected by the IRS for the 10th time that I decided to try it. I literally got connected to an IRS collection specialist in under an hour. The agent walked me through the entire OIC process, explained exactly what financial documentation I needed to include, and even told me about a partial payment installment agreement as a backup option. They explained that with my specific situation, I should include a detailed explanation of my crypto losses with my OIC application. This was information I couldn't find anywhere online. I submitted my OIC last week with much more confidence than I would have had trying to figure it out alone. Sometimes you need to talk to an actual human at the IRS, especially with complicated situations like this.

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Teresa Boyd

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Have you considered a payment plan instead of an OIC? If your business really might recover or you could get a decent job, the IRS might not accept an OIC if they think you can pay over time. I ended up on a 72-month payment plan and it was much easier to get approved than an OIC.

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Nolan Carter

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I'm worried a payment plan wouldn't be affordable given the total amount I owe. With $175k in tax debt, even spread over 6 years, that's almost $2500 a month not including interest. Is there any flexibility on the payment amounts? Did they look at your actual expenses when determining what you could pay?

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Teresa Boyd

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They absolutely look at your expenses, but they use their own standards for what's "reasonable" which can be frustrating. For example, they have limits on housing costs based on your county. There's also something called a Partial Payment Installment Agreement (PPIA) where you pay what you can afford based on your financial situation, even if it won't fully pay off the debt before the collection statute expires. It's less drastic than an OIC but more flexible than a standard payment plan. In my case, I'm paying $400/month which won't cover the full amount, but it was what the IRS determined I could afford.

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Lourdes Fox

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Don't forget about bankruptcy as an option. I know it sounds extreme, but some tax debts can be discharged in bankruptcy if they're old enough (generally more than 3 years old). It's not for everyone, but worth considering if you're truly in a no-win situation.

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Bruno Simmons

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This is risky advice. Tax debts have very specific rules for discharge in bankruptcy. The taxes need to be from returns due at least 3 years ago, filed at least 2 years ago, and assessed at least 240 days ago. Plus, fraud or willful evasion makes them non-dischargeable. OP shouldn't count on bankruptcy without consulting a bankruptcy attorney who specializes in tax issues.

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