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Dananyl Lear

Navigating the K2 K3 filing exceptions for partnerships and S corporations - help understanding the requirements

So I'm struggling to figure out if my business qualifies for the K2 K3 filing exception for tax year 2021. I've been reading through the IRS FAQ page and specifically Q15 about the exceptions, but honestly I'm confused about how to determine if this applies to my situation. From what I understand, there's an additional exception for certain domestic partnerships and S corporations for the 2021 tax year. But the requirements seem convoluted: - No foreign partnerships, corporations, individuals, estates or trusts as direct partners in 2021 - No foreign activity including taxes paid/accrued or assets generating foreign source income - Didn't provide certain information on Form 1065 Schedules K and K-1 (line 16) or line 20c in 2020 - No knowledge that partners/shareholders are requesting this info for 2021 I'm particularly confused about the third point regarding information that wasn't provided in 2020. How am I supposed to know exactly what was on line 16 or 20c last year? And what counts as "foreign activity" exactly? Does having a client overseas count? If we do qualify for this exception, it seems we don't need to file Schedules K-2 and K-3 with the IRS or provide them to partners. But then there's something about if a partner needs the info later, we'd still have to provide it? Any help understanding this would be greatly appreciated! I'm trying to make sure we're compliant without doing unnecessary paperwork.

The K-2/K-3 exception can definitely be confusing! Let me break this down in simpler terms: For your business to qualify for this exception for tax year 2021, you need to meet ALL of these conditions: 1) Your partners are all domestic (no foreign partners of any kind) 2) Your business had zero foreign activity - this means no foreign taxes paid, no foreign income sources, and no foreign assets that generate income 3) In your 2020 filing, you didn't report any international tax information on those specific lines mentioned (line 16 and line 20c on Form 1065) 4) You don't know of any partners who need this international information for their 2021 taxes To check point #3, just pull your 2020 tax return and look at those specific lines. If they're blank or don't have international tax items, you're good on that requirement. Foreign activity (point #2) would include more than just having foreign clients. It refers to having operations abroad, foreign investments, paying foreign taxes, or owning assets in other countries. Simply having clients overseas who pay you in US dollars to a US bank account generally wouldn't count as foreign activity for this purpose. The catch is that if any partner requests this K-3 information (before you file), you lose the exception and must file the K-2/K-3. Even after filing, if a partner later needs the info, you'd need to provide it to them specifically, but wouldn't need to amend your filing with the IRS.

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Dananyl Lear

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Thanks for breaking this down! So to be clear on point #2 about foreign activity - we have some clients in Canada and Europe, but they pay us in USD to our US bank account. We don't have any physical presence, employees, or assets in those countries. Would we still qualify for the exception in this case? And regarding point #3, I just checked our 2020 return and those lines are indeed blank. We didn't report any international items last year. I'm assuming that means we meet that requirement?

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Based on what you've described, you likely meet the foreign activity requirement. Merely having foreign clients who pay you in USD to a US bank doesn't typically constitute foreign activity for this purpose since you don't have foreign operations, aren't paying foreign taxes, and don't have assets generating foreign-source income. Yes, if those specific lines on your 2020 return are blank, that satisfies the third requirement. You didn't provide international tax information last year, so you meet that condition.

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Quick tip that helped me with the K2/K3 exception determination: take screenshots of the specific lines (16 and 20c) from your 2020 return as documentation of meeting that requirement. This way if there's ever a question about why you didn't file K2/K3, you have proof that you qualified for the exception. Also, put a note in your tax file documenting your analysis of each requirement - especially regarding the "no foreign activity" determination. If you have any international clients, document why those relationships don't constitute "foreign activity" under the definition (no foreign taxes paid, no foreign source income, etc.). Better to document your reasoning now than try to reconstruct it later if questions arise.

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Axel Bourke

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Does anyone know if this exception is continuing for the 2022 tax year? I finally understand the 2021 exception but wondering if I need to prepare for K2/K3 filing for current year.

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Nalani Liu

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The exception has been modified for 2022 and future years. Starting with tax year 2022, there's a "domestic filing exception" with slightly different requirements. Partners or S corp shareholders must be notified about the intention to not provide K-3s unless requested. You'll need to review the updated guidelines for 2022, as the automatic exception isn't identical to the 2021 version we're discussing here.

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Aidan Percy

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Has anyone used any specific tax software that handles the K2/K3 exception determination well? I'm using ProSeries and it keeps flagging that I need to file these forms even though I believe we qualify for the exception.

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I had the same issue with Lacerte. You have to manually override it. There should be a checkbox somewhere in the software to indicate you qualify for an exception. In Lacerte it's buried in the K-2/K-3 input screens - there's a specific question about qualifying for the exception that you need to mark "Yes".

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Aidan Percy

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Thanks for the tip! I found the override option in ProSeries. It was in the K-2/K-3 input area under "Filing Exceptions" - there's a check box for "Qualifies for domestic filing exception" that I needed to select. The software still gives a warning but allows you to proceed without generating the schedules.

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