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Mortgage Interest Deduction for paid-off home - am I missing something obvious?

So my wife and I completely paid off our home last year (still feels amazing to say that!). But I keep hearing friends and coworkers talk about how they "need" their mortgage for the tax deduction, and how we're missing out on some huge tax benefit by not having a mortgage. When I try to explain that we're actually coming out ahead by not paying interest at all, they look at me like I've lost my mind. They insist that the mortgage interest deduction is some magical tax loophole that we're missing out on. I understand the concept - you can deduct mortgage interest on your taxes if you itemize. But isn't paying $0 in interest better than paying $15,000 in interest to get a tax deduction on that $15,000? Or am I completely misunderstanding how this works? My brother-in-law (who works in real estate) was particularly adamant that we should have kept a small mortgage just for tax purposes. I'm starting to question my understanding of basic math. Can someone explain what I'm missing here, or confirm that I'm not crazy for thinking that having no mortgage payment is actually better financially?

You're not crazy at all - you've got it exactly right! The mortgage interest deduction is one of the most misunderstood tax benefits. Here's what's happening: When you pay $15,000 in mortgage interest and deduct it, you're not getting $15,000 back from the government. You're just reducing your taxable income by $15,000. So if you're in the 22% tax bracket, that deduction saves you about $3,300 in taxes. But you still paid $15,000 to save $3,300! You're still out $11,700 compared to having no mortgage. Your friends are essentially saying "I spend $15,000 to save $3,300" and thinking they're coming out ahead. Remember also that to benefit from mortgage interest deduction, you need to itemize deductions instead of taking the standard deduction. With the standard deduction now at $25,900 for married filing jointly in 2022, many homeowners don't even itemize anymore. Congratulations on paying off your house! That's a huge accomplishment and definitely the better financial position.

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Wait, so if my standard deduction is already higher than what I'd get from itemizing my mortgage interest, I'm not even benefiting from having a mortgage? I've been telling myself for years that at least I'm getting a tax break!

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Exactly right! If your standard deduction is higher than what all your itemized deductions would add up to, then the mortgage interest isn't actually providing any tax benefit at all. Many people don't realize this changed significantly with the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, which nearly doubled the standard deduction. Before that, more homeowners actually benefited from itemizing. Now, unless you have substantial mortgage interest plus other deductions like state taxes, medical expenses, and charitable donations that together exceed the standard deduction, you're better off just taking the standard amount.

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Just wanted to update after trying taxr.ai that the previous commenter mentioned. I was really skeptical but decided to try it since I've always wondered if I was missing out by paying off my mortgage early. The analysis confirmed I'm better off without the mortgage, showing that I'd need over $12,000 in itemized deductions beyond mortgage interest to beat the standard deduction. It also identified that I could amend last year's return because I had eligible education expenses for my daughter's college that I completely missed! What surprised me most was how it explained the math behind the mortgage myth in a way that finally clicked for me. I'm literally saving thousands by NOT having a mortgage compared to the minor tax benefit I'd get. Going to share this with my brother who's been considering getting a new mortgage on his paid-off home "for tax purposes" 🤦‍♂️

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This is such a common misunderstanding! I'm a financial advisor and I literally have this conversation multiple times a month. Think about it this way - would you give me $100 if I promised to give you $25 back? That's essentially what people are doing with mortgage interest. They pay $100 in interest to get maybe $25 back in tax benefits (depending on their tax bracket). There are legitimate reasons to have a mortgage - like if you're investing the difference at a higher return rate than your mortgage interest. But "doing it for the tax break" is never mathematically sound on its own.

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But what about using mortgage interest to get above the standard deduction threshold? My parents always said that's why they kept their mortgage.

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That's a good question about getting above the standard deduction threshold. Even in that scenario, you're still better off financially without a mortgage in most cases. Let's say you're just barely getting to itemize because of your mortgage interest. If your itemized deductions exceed the standard deduction by $1,000, that extra $1,000 deduction only saves you $220 if you're in the 22% bracket. But you might have paid $10,000+ in mortgage interest to get that $220 benefit. You'd be better off with no mortgage, taking the standard deduction, and having all that mortgage payment money in your pocket!

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Congrats on paying off your house!!! We did the same last year and we're so much better off. Anyone who says otherwise probably still has a huge mortgage lol. Remember that standard deduction is like $25,900 for married couples now. So unless your mortgage interest PLUS other itemized deductions (state taxes, charity, etc.) is more than that, you get ZERO benefit from mortgage interest. My brother-in-law is also in real estate and says the same nonsense. These people make money when you have mortgages, so of course they push this narrative!

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How long did it take you guys to pay off your house? I'm trying to decide if I should focus on that or put more into my 401k.

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Your real estate friends are missing something huge: opportunity cost. When you don't have a mortgage, you have all that cash flow to invest elsewhere. If we assume a $300k mortgage at 4%, you're paying about $12k/year in interest initially. The tax savings might be $2-3k depending on your bracket. So you're spending $12k to save $3k... meanwhile the mortgage-free person has an extra $24k+ (principal + interest) to invest every year! I paid my house off 3 years ago and have put the equivalent of my old mortgage payment into index funds. The growth has far exceeded any tax benefit I would've received.

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Thanks everyone for confirming I'm not losing my mind! It's so refreshing to hear from people who understand the actual math behind this. I think what confused me is how confidently people repeat this "mortgage for tax benefits" advice without seeming to understand the basic principle that paying $0 in interest is better than paying interest just to get a partial deduction. We're now investing what would have been our mortgage payment, and the freedom of having no house payment gives us incredible peace of mind. Thanks again for all the responses!

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You're absolutely right to trust your instincts here! The mortgage interest deduction is one of the most persistent financial myths out there, and it's frustrating how confidently people repeat it. The math is simple: if you're paying $15,000 in mortgage interest and you're in the 22% tax bracket, you save about $3,300 in taxes. But you still paid $15,000! You're net negative $11,700 compared to paying no interest at all. What makes this even worse is that many people don't even benefit from the mortgage interest deduction anymore. With the standard deduction at $27,700 for married filing jointly in 2023, your total itemized deductions (mortgage interest + state taxes + charitable donations + medical expenses) need to exceed that amount for itemizing to even make sense. I see this misconception all the time in tax season - people genuinely believe they're "making money" on their mortgage interest. Your brother-in-law probably means well, but remember that real estate professionals have a vested interest in people having mortgages. Congratulations on paying off your home! That's a huge accomplishment and you're in a much stronger financial position than people carrying mortgage debt just for a partial tax break.

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