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Fatima Al-Sayed

Missed the 1/31 1099-R Recipient Copy deadline for Roth conversion - am I in trouble?

So I messed up pretty bad with my self-employed retirement account stuff. I run a single-member LLC with a Solo 401K, and back in 2024 I did one of those mega backdoor Roth conversions for about $42,000. My plan administrator sent me a notice to fill out some paperwork so they could handle filing the 1099-R, but of course I completely forgot about it until now. Looking at the deadlines, I'm super confused. I see three different dates - Recipient Copy (1/31/25), IRS Paper Filing (3/3/25) and IRS e-Filing (4/1/25). I've already missed that first deadline for the Recipient Copy, but what exactly does that even mean? Is that just sending a copy to myself or something? The actual IRS deadlines haven't passed yet. Will the IRS know I missed the Recipient Copy deadline? Are there penalties for missing that specific deadline even if I meet the IRS filing dates? At this point, can I just file the 1099-R myself or do I need to bite the bullet and pay for a CPA? The whole Roth conversion process was complicated enough, and now I'm worried I've screwed up the reporting part too.

Dylan Hughes

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The recipient copy deadline (1/31) means you should have provided a copy of the 1099-R to the person who received the distribution (which in this case is yourself) by January 31. This is so recipients have their tax documents before they need to file their taxes. Don't panic though! Since you're essentially providing the form to yourself, the missed recipient deadline isn't as problematic as missing the IRS deadlines. The IRS doesn't automatically know you missed providing yourself with the form. What matters more are the IRS filing deadlines you mentioned (3/3 for paper, 4/1 for e-filing). You can absolutely still file the 1099-R yourself since you haven't missed the IRS deadlines. For Solo 401k distributions, you'll need to complete Form 1099-R and submit it with Form 1096 (the transmittal form) if filing by paper. If you're e-filing, you'll need to use an IRS-approved e-filing service.

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NightOwl42

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If they file it themselves, do they need to use the red-lined official form from the IRS, or can they just download the PDF and print it? I've heard the IRS rejects non-scannable forms.

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Dylan Hughes

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You'll need to use the official IRS forms that are scannable - the ones printed on the special red ink paper. You can order these forms directly from the IRS website at no cost, though at this point you might want to consider e-filing to save time since mail delivery of the forms could take a week or two. Printing a downloaded PDF form will likely be rejected by the IRS because their scanning equipment needs the specific red-lined forms. Your best bet might be using an IRS-approved e-filing service, especially with the paper filing deadline getting closer. Many tax software packages or payroll services offer 1099 e-filing capabilities for reasonable fees.

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Dmitry Ivanov

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Does it handle self-directed retirement accounts specifically? I've got a similar situation with a mega backdoor Roth conversion and my regular tax software seems completely clueless about the 1099-R filing requirements.

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Dmitry Ivanov

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Connor Murphy

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This sounds like BS honestly. The IRS wouldn't just waive penalties because you called them. They have strict rules about this stuff and I doubt some phone service can magically get you special treatment.

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Connor Murphy

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Yara Nassar

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I do these mega backdoor Roth conversions every year in my Solo 401k. Here's what you need to know: the 1099-R requires specific coding in Box 7 depending on how you did the conversion. For a proper mega backdoor, you'll typically use code "G" since it's going from the after-tax portion of the 401k to a Roth IRA or Roth 401k. Also, check if your 401k provider will still file for you even though you missed their initial deadline. Mine has a late filing service for an extra fee. Might be worth paying vs doing it yourself.

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Does the distribution code change if the conversion was within the same plan? My case was moving after-tax contributions from the regular Solo 401k into the Roth portion of the same Solo 401k, not to a separate Roth IRA. Some of the documentation I've read is confusing about this specific scenario.

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Yara Nassar

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When converting within the same plan (after-tax portion to Roth portion of the same Solo 401k), you should still use code "G" in Box 7. This indicates an in-plan direct rollover to a designated Roth account within the same plan. You'll also want to make sure Box 2a (taxable amount) reflects only the earnings portion that was converted, not your after-tax contributions themselves. The after-tax contributions have already been taxed, so only the growth between contribution and conversion is taxable. If your plan doesn't track this precisely, you may need to calculate it based on your account statements.

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StarGazer101

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Quick question - I've been reading conflicting info about the penalties for missing the 1099-R recipient copy deadline. Some sources say it's $50 per form, others say $280, and some say it scales based on how late you are. Anyone know the actual penalty structure for 2025 filing season?

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For 2025 filing season (for 2024 tax year), penalties for late 1099-R forms range from $50 to $290 per form depending on how late you file and whether the IRS determines it was intentional disregard. BUT... in this person's case, since they're technically both the filer and recipient, it's unlikely the IRS would ever assess a penalty for the recipient copy specifically since there's no third party to report the violation.

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