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Missed filing 83(b) election with IRS within 30-day window - what happens now?

I totally messed up and forgot to send my 83(b) election to the IRS after receiving equity units at the startup where I work. These units vest 25% after year one, then quarterly after that. The FMV of the units was listed as $0.00 when issued. Just realized I was supposed to mail this to the IRS within 30 days of receiving them. It's been about 18 months now (got them around August 2023). I'm guessing I've completely blown the tax advantages, but can someone explain exactly what the consequences will be now? Am I going to face some kind of penalty or just miss out on the beneficial tax treatment?

Missing the 83(b) election filing window isn't the end of the world, but it does change how your equity will be taxed. Since the fair market value was $0.00 when issued, the immediate impact isn't severe, but here's what happens now: Without the 83(b) election, you'll be taxed on the value of your equity as it vests rather than all upfront. This means each time a portion of your equity vests, you'll need to recognize income equal to the fair market value of those units at the vesting date minus what you paid for them (apparently nothing). If the company's value increases significantly before your vesting dates, you could face larger tax bills. The good news is there's no penalty for not filing - you just lose the option for the alternative tax treatment. The IRS doesn't penalize you for not making an optional election.

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Thanks for explaining! So if the company value shoots up before my next vesting date, I'm gonna have a tax bill even though I haven't sold anything? Do I have to pay taxes every quarter as more shares vest or just report it on my yearly taxes?

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You'll report the income on your yearly tax return for the year in which the vesting occurs. So if shares vest quarterly, you'll include all four quarters' worth of vesting on that year's tax return. Yes, you'll have tax liability when shares vest based on their value at vesting, even if you don't sell them. This is essentially "phantom income" - you owe taxes but haven't received cash to pay those taxes. This is exactly what the 83(b) election helps avoid, which is why it's recommended when accepting equity with a low initial value.

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Something similar happened to me last year. From my understanding since your initial FMV was $0.00, you're in a better position than most who miss this filing. The real pain comes when: 1) Your company valuation goes up significantly before vesting dates 2) You have to pay income tax on the spread between your purchase price and FMV at vesting 3) You still haven't received any actual cash to pay those taxes I'd suggest starting to track the company's 409A valuations closely now. Each time you hit a vesting milestone, document the current FMV so you're prepared for tax time.

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Mei Lin

Thanks for sharing your experience! Did you have to pay a lot more in taxes without the 83(b) in place? My company just completed another funding round, so I'm worried the value might jump before my first vesting date.

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I ended up paying about $12,000 more in taxes than I would have with the 83(b) election. My company's valuation quadrupled between my grant date and my first vesting milestone, so each chunk that vested was taxed at the higher valuation. With your company just completing another funding round, you should definitely prepare for higher taxes at vesting time. The new funding probably increased your company's valuation, which means higher income tax obligations when your shares vest. Start setting aside money now if possible - that was my biggest mistake, not having cash ready for the tax bill.

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This is why startup equity compensation is such a minefield. I messed up my 83(b) filing too but in a different way - I filed it but forgot to include a copy with my tax return, which apparently also invalidates it. Anyone know if there's any possible relief or exception? I've heard rumors about a "reasonable cause" exception for late filings?

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Unfortunately, the IRS is super strict about the 30-day window for 83(b) elections. From everything I've researched, there's no "reasonable cause" exception for missing the deadline. Rev. Proc. 2012-29 makes it pretty clear the deadline is non-negotiable. For your specific situation though (filing with IRS but forgetting to include with tax return), you might actually be ok! The critical part is getting it to the IRS within 30 days. Including a copy with your return is a requirement but there might be ways to correct that error since you did make the actual filing on time.

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Thanks for that info! That's a huge relief. I was able to get a stamped copy of my original filing so hopefully that's enough proof that I made the actual election on time. This stuff is unnecessarily complicated!

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I feel your pain on this one! Missing the 83(b) election is unfortunately more common than you'd think, especially at startups where HR doesn't always explain the importance clearly. Since your initial FMV was $0.00, you're actually in a relatively good position compared to others who miss this deadline. The main thing to understand is that now you'll be taxed on ordinary income as your shares vest based on their fair market value at each vesting date. My advice: start preparing financially now. Set up a separate savings account and begin putting money aside for the tax bills that will come with each vesting event. If your company has had any funding rounds or valuation increases since you received your equity, those taxes could be substantial even though you won't have cash from selling shares to pay them. Also, make sure you understand exactly when your vesting dates are and try to get the company's most recent 409A valuation reports so you can estimate what you'll owe. Being proactive about this will save you from scrambling when tax time comes around.

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This is really solid advice, especially about setting up a separate savings account for taxes! I'm new to equity compensation and had no idea about the "phantom income" issue until reading this thread. Quick question - do you know if there's a general rule of thumb for what percentage of the vested value to set aside for taxes? I'm trying to figure out how much to save since I have no idea what tax bracket this will put me in.

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