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Malik Johnson

Is the Earned Income Credit (EIC) calculated based on gross income or AGI?

Hey tax folks! I'm trying to figure out my taxes for this year and I'm really confused about the Earned Income Credit (EIC). I work as a bartender and make around $38,000 a year including tips, but after my 401k contributions and health insurance, my AGI is quite a bit lower. When I'm calculating if I qualify for the EIC, should I be using my gross income or my adjusted gross income (AGI)? I have one child who lives with me full-time if that makes a difference. This is my first year filing with a dependent so I want to make sure I'm doing everything right and getting all the credits I'm eligible for. Thanks for any help!

The Earned Income Credit (EIC) is based on your adjusted gross income (AGI), not your gross income. This is actually good news for you since your AGI is lower than your gross income due to your 401k contributions and health insurance premiums. For the 2024 tax year (filing in 2025), you'll need to meet several requirements to qualify for the EIC. With one qualifying child and an AGI of less than $46,560 for a single filer, you should be eligible based on the income you mentioned. The credit amount phases in as your income increases from zero, reaches a maximum, and then phases out as your income approaches the limit. Don't forget that you'll also need to meet other requirements like having a valid Social Security number, filing status can't be married filing separately, and your investment income must be $11,000 or less for the year.

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Ravi Sharma

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So does that mean my pre-tax retirement contributions actually help me qualify for a larger EIC since they lower my AGI? Also, do tips count as earned income even if they're cash tips that I report on my taxes?

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Yes, your pre-tax retirement contributions can actually help you qualify for a larger EIC in some cases by lowering your AGI. If your income is in the "phase-out" range of the EIC, reducing your AGI through 401k contributions could result in a higher credit amount. All tips absolutely count as earned income for EIC purposes, including cash tips. Just make sure you're properly reporting all your tip income on your tax return (usually through Form 4137 if they weren't reported to your employer). The IRS considers properly reported tips as earned income for calculating both your tax liability and credits like the EIC.

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One thing nobody mentioned yet - there's actually TWO income tests for EIC: your AGI AND your earned income both have to be below the threshold. Usually they're close to the same number for most people, but they can differ. You have to use the LOWER of your earned income or AGI to calculate the credit. Also, for the 2024 tax year filing in 2025, don't forget that investment income limit is $11,000 - so if you have more than that in dividends, interest, capital gains, etc., you won't qualify regardless of your AGI or earned income.

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Sean O'Connor

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Can you explain what counts as "earned income" versus AGI? I'm confused because I thought AGI already accounts for earned income.

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Earned income specifically includes wages, salaries, tips, other taxable employee compensation, and net earnings from self-employment. It does NOT include things like unemployment benefits, social security, pensions, alimony, or investment income. AGI is broader - it starts with all your income (both earned and unearned), then subtracts certain adjustments like student loan interest, IRA contributions, etc. So your AGI might be higher than your earned income if you have significant investment or retirement income. Or it might be lower than your earned income if you have substantial adjustments like alimony paid or retirement contributions. For the EIC calculation, you must use whichever amount is lower between your earned income and your AGI.

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Zara Ahmed

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Is there a quick way to estimate how much EIC I might get? I'm a single parent with 2 kids making about $32,000 from my job and some gig work.

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For a single parent with 2 qualifying children and an earned income/AGI of $32,000 for 2024 (filing in 2025), you'd be looking at approximately $5,700-$6,000 in EIC. You're actually in a sweet spot where you'll get close to the maximum credit amount. The exact amount will depend on your precise income and filing status (head of household, I'm assuming). The IRS has an EITC Assistant tool on their website that can give you a more precise estimate if you enter your specific details.

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Just to add some clarity for the original poster @Malik Johnson - since you mentioned you're a bartender with tips, make sure you're reporting ALL your tip income accurately. The IRS pays close attention to tip reporting in the service industry, and underreporting tips can not only get you in trouble but also reduce your EIC since it's based on your reported earned income. If your employer doesn't already track and report all your tips through payroll, you'll need to use Form 4137 to report unreported tip income. This includes cash tips that customers give you directly. Many bartenders don't realize that underreporting tips actually hurts them twice - once by potentially triggering an audit, and again by reducing credits like the EIC that they're entitled to. With your AGI being lower than your gross due to 401k and health insurance, you're in a good position for the EIC. Just make sure your tip reporting is accurate and complete!

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This is really important advice! I had no idea that underreporting tips could actually hurt my EIC eligibility. I'm new to filing taxes and honestly wasn't sure how to handle all the cash tips I receive. Do you know if there's a minimum amount of tips that needs to be reported, or should I be tracking every single dollar? Also, if I've been underreporting in previous years, is there a way to correct that without getting in major trouble with the IRS?

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