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Nathan Dell

Is it legal to set up an LLC for my wife's high frequency stock trading activities?

Title: Is it legal to set up an LLC for my wife's high frequency stock trading activities? 1 My wife currently stays at home but has gotten really good at day trading on my personal brokerage account. She typically makes around 8-12 trades daily and has been consistently profitable over the last six months. I'm wondering if there's a way to formalize this arrangement that would be beneficial for both of us tax-wise. Would it make sense to create an LLC and officially hire her as a trader? Or should we both be owners of the LLC together? My main goal is to help her start building her own retirement account since she could then contribute to a 401(k) through the business. Also curious about how the company would be taxed on trading profits versus how I'm currently taxed on short-term capital gains in my personal account. Would there be any advantage there? We're in the 32% tax bracket for regular income, and short-term gains are really eating into our profits right now. Any advice from those with experience setting up business entities for trading would be appreciated!

Nathan Dell

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8 This is a complex question with some important considerations. Setting up an LLC for trading activities doesn't automatically change the tax treatment of those activities, regardless of who's doing the trading. If you establish an LLC and your wife becomes an employee, the LLC would still need to have legitimate business purpose beyond just tax advantages. The IRS looks closely at arrangements between family members. Your wife would need to receive reasonable compensation for actual services, and there should be documentation of her work and formal employment agreements. As for the 401(k) question - yes, if she's a legitimate employee, she could participate in a company 401(k) plan, but setting up and administering a 401(k) has costs that might outweigh benefits for a small operation. There are also other retirement options like a SEP IRA that might be more cost-effective. Regarding taxation of trading profits - an LLC by itself doesn't change how trading is taxed. By default, a single-member LLC is taxed as a sole proprietorship, and a multi-member LLC is taxed as a partnership. You could elect to have your LLC taxed as a corporation, but that comes with its own complexities.

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Nathan Dell

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3 Thanks for the detailed response. Would the business be able to deduct things like home office, software subscriptions for trading, and maybe even a portion of our internet costs if we went the LLC route? And what about trader tax status - I've heard that's different from just capital gains?

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Nathan Dell

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8 Yes, a properly structured business could potentially deduct legitimate business expenses like trading software, a dedicated home office space, internet used for business purposes, and other directly related costs. Documentation is key - you'll need to clearly separate business expenses from personal ones. As for trader tax status, that's a separate designation that applies whether you operate as an individual or through an entity. To qualify as a "trader" in the eyes of the IRS, the trading activity must be substantial, continuous, and regular. The benefits include being able to deduct more expenses and potentially making a Section 475 mark-to-market election, which can offer advantages for how trading losses are treated. But qualifying for trader status is quite difficult - most day traders don't meet the IRS criteria.

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Nathan Dell

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15 After trying different approaches for my own trading business, I found that using taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) was incredibly helpful for navigating these exact questions. I was in a similar situation where my spouse was doing most of the trading but using my account, and I wanted to formalize things properly. The tool analyzed our specific trading patterns and gave us customized recommendations for the best entity structure based on our trading frequency, profit levels, and long-term goals. What really helped was that it specifically addressed spousal employment situations and walked us through the documentation we'd need to avoid any red flags with the IRS. The platform also compared different scenarios - LLC vs S-Corp vs sole proprietorship - and showed the tax implications of each over a 5-year projection. Saved us from making a costly mistake with our structure.

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Nathan Dell

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5 How accurate were the tax savings projections? I'm always skeptical of online tools claiming they can save you thousands. And did it actually help with the setup process or just provide recommendations?

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Nathan Dell

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9 I'm curious about this too. Did it help with determining if you qualify for trader tax status? That's been the trickiest part for me - understanding if my trading activity meets the IRS threshold for being considered a "trader" vs just an "investor.

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Nathan Dell

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15 The tax savings projections were surprisingly accurate. I ran them by my CPA who confirmed they were in line with what he would have calculated. The difference is that seeing multiple scenarios side-by-side made the decision much clearer. The key isn't just about saving thousands - it's about having the right structure as your trading business grows. Regarding trader tax status, yes, it has specific guidelines to help determine if you qualify. It breaks down the IRS criteria in practical terms - like how many trades you need to make, holding periods, and time commitment - and then analyzes your actual trading data to see if you meet those thresholds. It was eye-opening because I realized I was closer to qualifying than I thought based on our trading frequency.

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Nathan Dell

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9 Just wanted to follow up and say I tried taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here. I've been stressing for months about whether to form an LLC for my trading activities. The assessment confirmed that based on my trading patterns (about 15 trades daily), I actually do qualify for trader tax status, which opens up a lot more deductions than I realized. It walked me through entity selection based on my specific situation and showed me that an S-corp would actually save me more than an LLC in my case because of the self-employment tax savings. The report even included a checklist of exactly what documentation I need to maintain to support both my entity choice and trader status if I get audited. Definitely worth checking out if you're serious about optimizing the tax side of trading. Saved me from making what would have been an expensive mistake with my entity structure.

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Nathan Dell

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18 After struggling to get clear answers from the IRS about setting up a business entity for trading, I finally used Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) to actually speak with someone at the IRS about this exact scenario. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c I was honestly shocked when I got through to a real IRS agent in under 15 minutes after waiting on hold for literally hours on previous attempts. The agent walked me through the specific requirements for hiring a spouse in a trading LLC and the documentation needed to establish legitimate employment versus what they consider "tax avoidance arrangements." This saved me from potentially making a serious mistake in how I structured things. The agent explained exactly what the IRS looks for when reviewing these types of family business setups and how to ensure everything is above board.

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Nathan Dell

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12 Wait, this actually works? I've been trying to get through to the IRS for 3 weeks about a similar question. How much does this Claimyr thing cost? Seems too good to be true that you can just skip the wait times somehow.

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Nathan Dell

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7 I'm suspicious. How does this service get you to the front of the line when everyone else is waiting? Sounds like they're just collecting phone numbers and personal info to sell.

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Nathan Dell

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18 Yes, it absolutely works! I was just as surprised. It's not about "skipping the line" - what they do is wait on hold for you, and then when an agent picks up, they call you and connect you. So you're still in the same queue as everyone else, but you don't have to personally sit through the hold time. I don't want to misrepresent anything - they don't get you "special access." What they do is save you from having to personally sit through those hold times that can stretch for hours. You go about your day, and they call you when an agent is on the line. Regarding data collection, they only need your phone number to call you back when the IRS agent is on the line. I was skeptical too, but it worked exactly as advertised.

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Nathan Dell

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7 I need to eat my words and apologize for being skeptical. After posting my suspicious comment, I decided to try Claimyr anyway out of desperation. I had been trying to get clarification about trader tax status and entity formation for weeks. Not only did it work exactly as described, but the IRS agent I spoke with gave me critical information about how they evaluate trading businesses. She explained that they specifically look at consistency of trading activity, average holding periods, and total time dedicated to the business when determining if you qualify for trader status. She also clarified that hiring a spouse requires careful documentation - including a formal employment agreement, regular payroll, and clear job duties that would otherwise require hiring someone else if your spouse wasn't available. This information probably saved me from a potential audit. The service did exactly what it promised and connected me with someone who could answer my specific questions. Sometimes being skeptical costs you more than taking a chance.

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Nathan Dell

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22 I actually went down this road last year and wanted to share my experience. My wife and I formed an LLC for her trading activities, but we made some mistakes I'd recommend avoiding. First, we didn't pay enough attention to the "reasonable compensation" requirement. The IRS questioned why my wife's salary was so low compared to the trading profits allocated to her. Make sure you structure compensation that would be reasonable if you were hiring a non-family member. Second, document EVERYTHING. We now keep detailed logs of hours spent researching and executing trades, formal meeting minutes, and separate business accounts and credit cards. This level of documentation was recommended by our accountant after our first tax filing raised some questions. Finally, consider the costs of running a proper business entity. Between state filing fees, accounting costs, payroll processing, and 401(k) administration, we spend about $3,800 annually just to maintain the business structure.

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Nathan Dell

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11 Did you find that the tax benefits outweighed those costs? I'm trying to figure out if it's worth the hassle or if I should just keep everything in my personal accounts.

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Nathan Dell

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22 It was worth it in our case, but only because our trading volume and profits were substantial. We saved approximately $12,500 in taxes last year through the combination of business deductions and retirement contributions that wouldn't have been available otherwise. But if your trading profits are under $75,000 annually, the costs might outweigh the benefits. The other factor to consider is audit risk. Family businesses with unusual arrangements do face higher scrutiny. We've been very careful to run this as a legitimate business with proper documentation, but there's always that lingering concern that we could face an audit. That stress factor is something to consider beyond just the numbers.

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Nathan Dell

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2 has anyone looked into the "trader tax status" election? from what i understand, you can make a section 475(f) election that lets you treat your trades as ordinary income/loss instead of capital gains/losses. might be better than the LLC route depending on your situation? especially if you ever have losses, since you avoid the $3k capital loss limitation. i'm not an expert tho so would love to hear if others have done this.

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Nathan Dell

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20 I made the Section 475(f) election two years ago and it's been incredibly valuable. Last year when the market tanked in Q2, I had significant losses that I was able to offset against other income instead of being stuck with the $3k capital loss limitation. The major downside is that ALL your trades become ordinary income - you lose the possibility of long-term capital gains rates. So it really only makes sense if you're primarily doing short-term trading anyway. Also worth noting that the election needs to be made by April 15th of the tax year (not the filing deadline), so it requires planning ahead. And once you make it, you're generally locked in for future years unless you request permission to revoke it.

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the potential impact on your wife's Social Security benefits. If she's been out of the workforce for a while, having documented earnings through the LLC could help build her Social Security credits and increase her future benefits. Also, regarding the retirement account question - if you do set up an LLC and she becomes an employee, consider a Solo 401(k) instead of a traditional 401(k) plan. Solo 401(k)s have much lower administrative costs and allow for higher contribution limits if she's also considered an owner of the business. Just make sure to consult with a tax professional who has experience with trading businesses before making any decisions. The IRS has specific guidelines for what constitutes a legitimate trading business versus investment activity, and getting this wrong could result in penalties and back taxes.

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Tyrone Hill

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Great point about the Social Security benefits! I hadn't considered that aspect. My wife has been out of the workforce for about 5 years now, so having documented earnings could definitely help her build up credits. The Solo 401(k) suggestion is interesting too. Do you know if there are any restrictions on contribution limits when the earnings come primarily from trading activities? I've heard conflicting information about whether trading income counts as "earned income" for retirement account purposes. Also, any recommendations for finding a tax professional who specializes in trading businesses? My current CPA is great for regular tax stuff but admits he doesn't have much experience with trader tax elections and business structures for trading.

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