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Andre Lefebvre

Is it better to file jointly or separately when married for maximum tax refund?

Hey all, just wondering what's the best way to go for me and my spouse with our taxes this year? Last year was our first time filing as a married couple and we did it separately. I barely got anything back, but I was only working for like 6 months so maybe that's why? We're using TurboTax again and have to deal with filing in two different states (ugh). This tax stuff is honestly confusing and I have zero clue what I'm doing lol. Should we try filing jointly this year or stick with separate? Any tips would be super appreciated!

Filing jointly is generally better for most married couples, but it depends on your specific situation. The tax brackets for "married filing separately" aren't simply half of the "married filing jointly" brackets, and many tax credits and deductions aren't available when filing separately. Joint filing usually provides lower overall tax rates, access to certain tax credits (like the Earned Income Credit, Child and Dependent Care Credit), and higher deduction limits. The standard deduction for joint filers in 2025 is double what it is for separate filers. Filing separately might make sense if one spouse has significant medical expenses (which need to exceed 7.5% of AGI to deduct), student loan interest deductions that phase out at higher incomes, or if one spouse has concerns about tax liability from the other (like back taxes or unpaid child support). For your two-state situation, you should check both options in TurboTax before finalizing. TurboTax can calculate both scenarios so you can see which gives you the better outcome.

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This is helpful, but I'm wondering about student loans specifically. I have about $35k in student loans and am on an income-based repayment plan. I've heard filing separately can lower my monthly payments. Would the tax savings from filing jointly outweigh the potential savings on my loan payments?

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Income-based repayment plans are one of the few situations where filing separately could potentially save you money overall. When you file separately, only your income (not your spouse's) is considered for the IBR calculation, which could lower your monthly payments significantly. For the tax implications, you'll need to run the numbers both ways. You'll likely pay more in taxes filing separately, but the monthly savings on student loans might offset this difference. Calculate your annual tax difference between filing methods, then compare that to 12 months of potential student loan payment reductions to see which option saves more money in total.

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Generally speaking, filing jointly tends to be more beneficial for most married couples. The tax brackets for married filing jointly are more generous than filing separately, and you get access to more deductions and credits. Filing separately can make sense in specific situations though, such as when one spouse has significant medical expenses, student loan payments, or if one spouse has past-due debts that could be collected from a joint refund. Also, if there's a huge income disparity between spouses, it might be worth running the numbers both ways. Since you're dealing with two different states, that adds another layer of complexity. Some states have different rules for joint vs. separate filing. Your best bet is to run your taxes both ways in TurboTax before submitting to see which gives you the better outcome.

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Thanks for the advice! We don't have any major medical expenses or student loans. Our incomes are pretty different though - I make about $45k and my spouse makes around $78k. Do you think that's enough of a difference to matter? Also, does TurboTax actually let you try both ways without paying twice?

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That income difference isn't extreme enough to automatically make filing separately better. In most cases, you'd still benefit from filing jointly with those income levels. Yes, TurboTax will let you compare both filing statuses before you pay. You can complete your return as "Married Filing Jointly" first, note the refund amount, then go back and change to "Married Filing Separately" to see the difference. Just don't submit until you've decided which is better. It's one of the most useful features of tax software - being able to play with different scenarios before finalizing.

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How accurate is this compared to just running both scenarios in TurboTax? I'm in a similar situation with two states and wondering if it's worth trying.

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Does it handle complicated situations like if one spouse has income-based student loan repayment? That's my big concern with filing jointly - my payments would increase dramatically.

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It's actually more comprehensive than just running scenarios in TurboTax because it specifically highlights which tax benefits are affected by your filing status choice and quantifies each one separately. It also lets you compare multiple years of tax strategy at once, which TurboTax doesn't do well. For student loan situations, it absolutely factors that in! That's actually one of its best features - it can calculate the impact of filing status on your student loan payments and show whether the tax savings from filing jointly outweigh the increased loan payments or vice versa. It helps you see the total financial picture, not just the tax refund amount.

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Something else to consider - if you file separately, you both have to either take the standard deduction or both itemize. You can't have one person itemize and the other take standard. This rule alone often makes filing jointly better because the standard deduction for joint filers is exactly double the single amount ($27,700 vs $13,850 for 2023), but the itemized stuff doesn't always add up enough for both people.

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Wait seriously? I had no idea about this rule. We definitely did it wrong last year then because I took the standard deduction and my spouse itemized. No wonder our refund was weird. Does TurboTax not catch this kind of mistake?

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TurboTax should catch this error if you're doing both returns in the same TurboTax account. If you're doing them separately (like on different computers or accounts), then it wouldn't know what your spouse is doing. But yes, it's a strict IRS rule - if you file as Married Filing Separately, you both must take the standard deduction or both must itemize. There's no mixing allowed. This is actually one of the main reasons why filing separately often results in paying more tax overall, especially if only one spouse has enough deductions to make itemizing worthwhile.

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One thing no one's mentioned yet - if either of you has income-based repayment for federal student loans, filing separately can sometimes be better even if you pay more in taxes! I pay about $1200 more in taxes but save $2800 in student loan payments annually by filing separately.

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How do you figure out if the student loan savings outweigh the tax benefits? Is there a calculator or something for this?

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You need to look at both sides of the equation. First, calculate your taxes both ways (jointly and separately) to find the tax difference. Then use the loan simulator at studentaid.gov to calculate what your monthly payment would be under both filing statuses. Multiply the monthly payment difference by 12 to get your annual savings. If the loan payment savings exceed the tax increase from filing separately, then filing separately makes financial sense. Just be aware that filing separately also makes you ineligible for certain tax benefits like the student loan interest deduction, some education credits, and potentially the childcare credit if you have kids.

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Just wanted to add that the "two different states" thing makes this even more important to check both ways. My wife and I lived in different states for part of last year due to work, and we found out that filing jointly actually complicated our state returns because some states have weird rules about allocating income. We ended up saving about $600 by filing separately, even though the federal return would have been better filing jointly.

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Which states were you dealing with? My wife and I are in a similar situation with NY and NJ and trying to figure out the best approach.

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Has anyone here dealt with filing in PA and NJ as a married couple? We're in the same boat and curious if joint or separate is better for these specific states.

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I file in both those states! PA doesn't recognize joint filing (everyone files individually there), while NJ allows joint filing. We file jointly for federal and NJ, then separately for PA. The tax software handles it pretty well.

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Great question! As someone who's been through this exact situation, I'd strongly recommend running both scenarios in TurboTax before deciding. Generally, married filing jointly tends to be better for most couples because you get access to higher standard deductions ($29,200 for 2024), better tax brackets, and credits that aren't available when filing separately. However, your two-state situation does add complexity. Some states handle joint vs. separate filing differently, so what's better federally might not be optimal for your state returns. The good news is TurboTax will let you compare both options and show you the total refund difference (federal + both states combined) before you file. Given that you only worked 6 months last year, your lower income combined with your spouse's income might actually put you in a better position filing jointly this year. The key things to compare are: total tax owed, available credits (like Earned Income Credit if applicable), and any deduction limitations that kick in with separate filing. Definitely take advantage of TurboTax's comparison feature - it's designed exactly for situations like yours!

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