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Oliver Schmidt

Is a self-employment investment LLC legit for deducting my trading expenses?

So I've been doing some research on ways to potentially deduct my investment-related expenses that typically wouldn't be deductible under normal circumstances. I came across something called a "self-employment investment LLC" where you basically set up an LLC for your investment activities and treat it like a business. Has anyone actually done this or know if it's a legitimate tax strategy? I'm spending quite a bit on research subscriptions, trading platform fees, and home office expenses related to my investing activities. From what I understand, most investment expenses aren't deductible for regular investors since the 2017 tax changes, but maybe running it through an LLC would let me deduct these as business expenses? I'm just trying to figure out if this is actually a thing or if it's some sketchy tax avoidance scheme. Any experiences or knowledge would be super helpful!

This is a bit of a gray area in tax law. The key distinction is whether your investment activities rise to the level of being considered a "trade or business" rather than just personal investing. Simply forming an LLC doesn't automatically make your investment activities deductible. What matters is the nature, extent, and frequency of your activities. If you're actively trading securities in a substantial, continuous, and regular manner (like a day trader), the IRS might consider this a trade or business, allowing those expenses to be deductible on Schedule C. However, if you're more of a passive investor who buys and holds investments for appreciation and income, putting this in an LLC won't magically make those expenses deductible. The IRS looks at substance over form - the actual nature of what you're doing rather than just the legal structure. I'd strongly suggest consulting with a tax professional who specializes in this area before proceeding, as an incorrect determination could lead to an audit.

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Javier Torres

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Thanks for the info! How many trades per year would typically be considered "substantial, continuous, and regular"? And does it matter what percentage of my income comes from trading vs other sources?

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There's no specific number of trades that automatically qualifies as "substantial, continuous, and regular." The IRS evaluates this on a case-by-case basis. Generally, it's about frequency, volume, holding periods, and whether you're devoting substantial time to trading as though it were a business rather than an investment activity. The percentage of income from trading versus other sources isn't the determining factor, but it can be relevant. It's more about whether your trading activities demonstrate an intent to generate income through regular trading rather than through long-term appreciation of investments. Factors like maintaining a separate business location, keeping regular trading hours, and having systems and procedures in place for your trading can all strengthen your case.

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Does it integrate directly with trading platforms like TD Ameritrade or do I have to manually upload everything? I have thousands of trades from last year.

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Freya Larsen

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Omar Hassan

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I've been trading through an LLC for the past 3 years. Here's my experience: 1. Just having an LLC doesn't magically make expenses deductible - I had to demonstrate I was truly operating as a business 2. I make 15-20 trades per week consistently throughout the year 3. I maintain a separate home office exclusively for trading 4. I keep regular "business hours" for my trading activities 5. I document EVERYTHING - time spent researching, analysis methods, trading strategies My accountant says the key is treating it like a legitimate business in every way. I got audited in 2023 and successfully defended my deductions because I had meticulous records showing this wasn't just casual investing.

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Chloe Taylor

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What about the LLC protection itself? Does it actually do anything for you besides potential tax benefits? Like protecting personal assets if a trade somehow went catastrophically wrong?

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Omar Hassan

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The LLC provides some asset protection, but it's limited for trading activities. It mainly protects against business creditors, but since brokerages require personal guarantees, the protection for trading losses is minimal. The main benefit was being able to establish a separate business entity for tax purposes. For catastrophic trading scenarios, the LLC wouldn't protect me from losses on trades I authorized. Where it does help is separating my trading assets from personal assets for general liability purposes. I still maintain separate accounts, separate records, and never commingle personal and business funds, which strengthens both the liability protection and the tax treatment as a business.

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ShadowHunter

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Something nobody's mentioned yet - you need to consider making a Section 475(f) mark-to-market election if you're serious about this. This election treats your securities as ordinary income/loss rather than capital gains/losses and is often considered evidence that you're operating as a business trader. The deadline is April 15 of the tax year (or March 15 for existing LLCs taxed as corporations). Missing this deadline can complicate your case for trader status.

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Diego Ramirez

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Does making the mark-to-market election mean ALL your investments have to be treated that way? I have some long-term holdings I definitely don't want treated as ordinary income when I eventually sell.

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