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Anastasia Sokolov

Is MAGI your AGI plus all deductions? Need explanation for tax calculations

I'm completely confused about calculating my MAGI for tax purposes. From what I understand, AGI (Adjusted Gross Income) is basically your total income minus certain adjustments. But then what exactly is MAGI (Modified Adjusted Gross Income)? Is it just AGI plus adding back some deductions? Or is it something else entirely? I need to figure this out for my health insurance marketplace subsidy calculations. I make around $47,500 as a contractor, and I've been putting money into a traditional IRA ($5,200 this year). I'm trying to determine if I'll qualify for the premium tax credit and by how much. My tax software is giving me different numbers for AGI vs MAGI and I don't understand why they're different or which one I'm supposed to use for different tax situations. Any clear explanation would be super helpful!

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MAGI isn't simply AGI plus all deductions - it's more specific than that. Your AGI (Adjusted Gross Income) is your total income minus certain adjustments like traditional IRA contributions, student loan interest, etc. Your MAGI (Modified Adjusted Gross Income) is your AGI with certain deductions added back in, depending on what the MAGI is being used for. For health insurance marketplace subsidies specifically, MAGI adds back a few things to your AGI: untaxed foreign income, non-taxable Social Security benefits, and tax-exempt interest. The big one for your situation is that you need to add back any deductions for traditional IRA contributions. So if your AGI is $42,300 after deducting your $5,200 traditional IRA contribution, your MAGI for marketplace subsidy purposes would be approximately $47,500 (essentially adding back that IRA deduction). This is why your tax software is showing different numbers.

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Thanks for the explanation! Does this mean if I switch to a Roth IRA instead of a traditional IRA, my MAGI would be lower for healthcare subsidy purposes? Or do both types of IRA contributions get added back?

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StarSeeker

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Roth IRA contributions don't reduce your AGI in the first place, since they're made with after-tax dollars. So switching to a Roth wouldn't lower your MAGI for healthcare subsidies. Traditional IRA contributions first reduce your AGI, but then get added back when calculating MAGI for premium tax credits. Roth contributions don't affect either calculation since they're already considered taxed income. So unfortunately, neither IRA type will reduce your MAGI for marketplace subsidy purposes.

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Zara Ahmed

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Luca Esposito

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How does it work with self-employment income? I have both w2 and 1099 income and the health insurance marketplace calculation confuses me every time.

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Nia Thompson

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Does it actually explain the calculations or just give you a number? I'm trying to understand how this works conceptually.

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Zara Ahmed

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For self-employment income, it breaks down the calculation showing exactly how your business expenses reduce your income before applying the MAGI adjustments. It handles mixed income situations really well, showing which parts of your self-employment deductions affect AGI but don't get added back for MAGI. It doesn't just give you a number - it walks through the entire calculation step-by-step with explanations for each adjustment. It specifically showed me which deductions get added back for ACA subsidies versus other tax benefits, which was super helpful for understanding the concept.

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Nia Thompson

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Ethan Wilson

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Just to add something important - there are different MAGI calculations depending on what you're using it for. MAGI for ACA subsidies is different from MAGI for determining if you can deduct IRA contributions, which is different from MAGI for calculating the taxability of social security benefits. This is why it's so confusing! For ACA subsidies specifically, your MAGI is your AGI plus: - Untaxed foreign income - Tax-exempt interest - Excluded part of Social Security payments - IRA contribution deductions

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Yuki Tanaka

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Are there any good online calculators specifically for estimating MAGI for ACA purposes? I've tried a few but they don't explain which version of MAGI they're calculating.

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Ethan Wilson

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The healthcare.gov calculator is actually pretty good for this specific purpose. It's designed specifically for ACA subsidies so it uses the correct MAGI calculation. There's also a calculator on healthsherpa.com that I've found to be accurate. Just make sure you're using a calculator that specifically mentions it's for marketplace subsidies or premium tax credits. Generic "MAGI calculators" might be using a different version of the calculation.

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Carmen Diaz

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This confused me too last year! Here's what I learned: Standard deduction has NOTHING to do with MAGI. MAGI calculations happen BEFORE any standard or itemized deductions are applied. The sequence is: 1. Calculate total income 2. Subtract adjustments (IRA contributions, student loan interest, etc.) = AGI 3. Add back certain adjustments (like IRA contributions) = MAGI 4. THEN later you subtract standard/itemized deductions to get taxable income So no, MAGI is definitely not AGI plus all deductions. It's more like AGI plus SELECTED adjustments added back in.

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This sequence really helps me understand it better! So my standard deduction doesn't affect MAGI at all? That makes way more sense now. My tax software was calculating an AGI around $42,300 and a MAGI of $47,500, which matches up with adding back my IRA contribution. Thanks for breaking it down this way!

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Evelyn Rivera

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Just wanted to share my experience as someone who went through this exact confusion last year! The key thing that helped me was understanding that MAGI isn't a single calculation - it changes depending on what you're using it for. For your specific situation with the health insurance marketplace, your MAGI will be your AGI ($42,300 after the IRA deduction) PLUS your traditional IRA contribution ($5,200) = $47,500. This is exactly what your tax software is showing you. The reason this matters for your premium tax credit eligibility is that the government wants to see your "true" income capacity before retirement savings, since theoretically you could choose not to contribute to an IRA and have that money available for health insurance premiums instead. At $47,500 income, you should definitely qualify for some level of premium tax credit depending on your location and the plans available. The credit phases out completely around $60,240 for a single person in 2024, so you're well within the eligibility range. Make sure to use the healthcare.gov calculator with your MAGI figure to get an accurate estimate of your subsidy!

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Skylar Neal

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This is super helpful! I'm new to all this tax stuff and was getting really overwhelmed trying to figure out the difference between AGI and MAGI. Your explanation about the government wanting to see your "true" income capacity before retirement savings makes so much sense - I never thought about it that way. Quick question: if I'm right at the edge of qualifying for subsidies, would it make more sense to reduce my IRA contribution to lower my MAGI? Or are the tax benefits of the IRA contribution usually worth more than the health insurance subsidy? I'm trying to figure out the best financial strategy here.

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