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Rajan Walker

How would taxes work for a C-Corp as a subsidiary of an LLC?

I've been operating my Miami-based LLC for about 18 months now and have been writing off all my business expenses through it. Things are looking up and I've got some investors interested in putting some serious capital into my tech startup. From what I understand, I need to set up a Delaware C-Corporation to accept the investment properly. I've been doing some research and I'm considering making the C-Corp a subsidiary of my existing LLC rather than dissolving the LLC completely. I'm confused about how taxation would work in this kind of arrangement though. How would the taxes flow between the LLC parent and the C-Corp subsidiary? Would the LLC still be able to write off expenses related to the business, or would everything need to go through the C-Corp? And how would income be taxed when it moves between the entities? Really appreciate any insights from those who've set up similar structures or understand corporate tax implications!

This is actually a pretty common setup for businesses transitioning from bootstrap to investment funding. Let me break it down for you in simple terms. Your Florida LLC and the Delaware C-Corp would be treated as separate tax entities. The C-Corp will file its own tax returns (Form 1120) and pay corporate taxes on its profits at the corporate tax rate. It's a completely separate taxpayer from your LLC. Your LLC, assuming it's a single-member LLC, would continue to be taxed as a pass-through entity where profits flow to your personal tax return. If it's a multi-member LLC, you're likely filing Form 1065 and distributing K-1s. The tricky part comes with the relationship between them. If the LLC owns the C-Corp, then any dividends paid by the C-Corp to the LLC would be taxable income to the LLC. There's no parent-subsidiary consolidated return option like there would be if both were C-Corps. For startup expenses, each entity would deduct its own legitimate business expenses. You can't use the LLC to write off expenses that are legitimately the C-Corp's, and vice versa.

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Thanks for explaining! So if the C-Corp makes money and wants to distribute it to the LLC as the owner, it first pays corporate tax on profits and then the LLC owner pays tax again on those dividends? Isn't that double taxation? Also, what about if the LLC provides services to the C-Corp - like if I'm managing both, can the C-Corp pay the LLC for management services?

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Yes, you've hit on one of the major considerations with C-Corps - the potential for double taxation. The C-Corp pays tax on its profits, and then when dividends are distributed to shareholders (in this case your LLC), those dividends are taxed again. This is indeed double taxation and one of the downsides of the C-Corp structure. Regarding your second question, yes, the LLC can provide legitimate services to the C-Corp, and the C-Corp can pay the LLC for these services. This is actually a common strategy. These would be business expenses for the C-Corp (reducing its taxable income) and income for the LLC. However, these arrangements need to be at "arm's length" with fair market value compensation - meaning the amounts need to be reasonable for the services provided. The IRS scrutinizes related party transactions, so you'll want well-documented service agreements and market-rate payments.

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Gabriel Ruiz

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Don't overlook the state tax implications in this structure. Your Delaware C-Corp will pay the Delaware franchise tax (minimum $175 annually), but may also have tax filing obligations in Florida if it's conducting business there. Similarly, even though Florida doesn't have state income tax for individuals, your LLC might have filing requirements in Delaware depending on operations. Also, investors typically prefer clean corporate structures. Have you considered just shutting down the LLC and rolling everything into the C-Corp? Might be cleaner for future funding rounds.

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Rajan Walker

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Thanks for bringing up the state tax angle - hadn't really thought about that! Do you know if management activities alone would create nexus in Florida for the Delaware C-Corp? Would the fact that the LLC owns the C-Corp automatically create nexus? I did consider just rolling everything into the C-Corp, but I have some assets and operations in the LLC that I'd prefer to keep separate from investor funds for now. I'm concerned about the additional complexity though.

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Gabriel Ruiz

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Management activities could indeed create nexus in Florida for your Delaware C-Corp, especially if key decision-making and management functions are happening there. The ownership structure itself doesn't automatically create nexus, but the actual business activities do. I understand wanting to keep certain assets separate from investor funds. One alternative structure to consider is having the C-Corp be the parent and the LLC be the subsidiary instead of vice versa. This is actually more common for funded startups, and investors are more familiar with it. You could contribute specific assets to the LLC subsidiary while keeping the main operations and investment in the C-Corp. This structure can also potentially simplify eventual exits, as acquirers typically prefer dealing with C-Corps.

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Dont forget to factor in legal protections too not just taxes! Having LLC own C-Corp creates an extra layer between u and liabilities which can be good. But also makes raising more $$ more complicated cause investors gotta go thru LLC to get to C-Corp. I had similar setup and ended up with C-Corp as parent instead, with an LLC subsidiary for riskier parts of business. made subsequent funding rounds WAY easier. just my 2 cents

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Peyton Clarke

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Could you expand on the liability protection aspect? I thought a C-Corp already provides good liability protection, so what's the advantage of the additional LLC layer in terms of legal shields?

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This is a really complex area and I'd strongly recommend getting professional advice, but I can share some insights from my experience with similar structures. One major consideration that hasn't been fully addressed is the potential Section 351 tax implications when you contribute assets from your LLC to the new C-Corp. If you're transferring property (including IP, equipment, or other business assets) from your LLC to the C-Corp in exchange for stock, you'll want to make sure this qualifies for tax-free treatment under Section 351. Otherwise, you could trigger immediate taxable gain recognition. Also, regarding the double taxation issue - while it's true that C-Corp dividends create double taxation, many startups avoid this by not paying dividends at all. Instead, they reinvest profits back into the business or compensate key employees (including yourself) through reasonable salaries and bonuses, which are deductible to the C-Corp. Another strategy to consider is having the LLC provide legitimate services to the C-Corp (as mentioned earlier) - things like administrative services, office space rental, or consulting. This creates a deductible expense for the C-Corp and income for the LLC, which can help optimize the overall tax burden. Just make sure all inter-company transactions are properly documented and at fair market value to avoid IRS scrutiny!

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Chloe Harris

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Great point about Section 351! I'm actually dealing with something similar right now. When you mention "reasonable salaries and bonuses" - how do you determine what's reasonable for someone who's both the LLC owner and a key employee of the C-Corp? I'm worried about the IRS challenging compensation levels, especially in the early stages when the C-Corp might not have much revenue yet. Also, do you know if there are any safe harbors or guidelines for determining fair market value for inter-company services like office space rental between related entities?

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