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Saleem Vaziri

How to withdraw from a traditional IRA with Fidelity for education expenses: tax implications?

I've been contributing to a traditional IRA account with Fidelity for the past few years and now I'm facing some unexpected education costs that I need to cover. I know that my contributions to the traditional IRA are tax deductible, which has been great for reducing my taxable income. But now I'm in a situation where I need to withdraw some money from this account before retirement age to pay for education expenses. I'm wondering if I take an early withdrawal specifically for education purposes, will I still get to keep the tax deduction I received when I made the contributions? Or will I have to somehow "pay back" those tax benefits I've already received? I'm trying to understand if the money I take out will be fully taxable or just partially taxable since it's for education. Also, are there any special rules or exemptions for education-related withdrawals from traditional IRAs? I've heard something about penalty exceptions but I'm not sure how it all works with the deduction part. Any advice would be really helpful before I contact Fidelity!

You're asking a really good question about traditional IRA withdrawals for education. Here's what you should know: When you withdraw from a traditional IRA for qualified higher education expenses, you'll still have to pay income tax on the withdrawal amount because that's how traditional IRAs work - the tax benefit is deferral, not elimination. However, you do get a special break: you won't have to pay the usual 10% early withdrawal penalty that normally applies to withdrawals before age 59½. The tax deduction you received when contributing stays intact - you don't have to "pay it back" in that sense. But the withdrawal itself is considered taxable income in the year you take it out. So if you contributed $6,000 and got a tax deduction for that amount, when you withdraw it, that amount becomes part of your taxable income for the current year. To qualify for the penalty exception, the education expenses must be for yourself, your spouse, your children, or your grandchildren at an eligible educational institution. Qualified expenses include tuition, fees, books, supplies, and equipment required for enrollment.

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Wait, so does this mean I'll be double taxed? I already paid income tax on the money I put into my IRA, and now I'll be taxed AGAIN when I take it out? That doesn't seem right...

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You're actually mixing up traditional IRAs with Roth IRAs. With a traditional IRA, you get a tax deduction when you contribute, meaning you DON'T pay income tax on that money going in. That's why you do pay income tax when withdrawing - it's the first time that money is being taxed, not double taxation. With a Roth IRA, it's the opposite - you contribute after-tax dollars (no tax deduction), but then qualified withdrawals are completely tax-free. They're different tax treatment strategies, and it sounds like you might be thinking of how Roth IRAs work.

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I just wanted to share my experience with using taxr.ai for this exact situation last year. I was super confused about taking money from my traditional IRA for my daughter's college expenses and couldn't figure out how it would affect my taxes. I uploaded my Fidelity statements to https://taxr.ai and it analyzed everything for me - showed exactly what would be taxable and how the education exception worked for the early withdrawal penalty. The site explained that while I'd still owe regular income tax on the withdrawal (since I got the tax deduction when I put the money in), I wouldn't have to pay that extra 10% penalty as long as I used the money for qualified education expenses. It even helped me understand what documentation I needed to keep for tax time. Saved me from making a costly mistake!

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Did it actually explain how much of your withdrawal would be subject to tax? I'm confused because I've been contributing to my IRA for years, and some of it was deductible and some wasn't (because of income limits). How would I even track which portion is which?

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I'm skeptical about these tax tools. Did it really provide info beyond what you can find on the IRS website? And how does it know your specific tax situation with just your statements?

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Yes, it broke down my withdrawal and showed which portions would be taxable based on my contribution history. The tool actually looks at whether your past contributions were deductible or non-deductible and calculates the taxable portion using something called the "pro-rata rule." It was super helpful because I had the same mixed contribution situation. As for your question about going beyond IRS info, it definitely did. The IRS pages give general rules, but taxr.ai applied those rules specifically to my situation with actual numbers and created a personalized tax plan. It analyzed my statements and previous tax info I uploaded to understand my complete situation - way more helpful than trying to interpret IRS publications on my own.

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I was skeptical at first about using taxr.ai, but I decided to give it a try when facing almost the exact same situation as the original poster. I needed money for my MBA program and was considering tapping my traditional IRA at Fidelity. The analysis I got was eye-opening. Turns out I had been making some non-deductible contributions over the years (which I had totally forgotten about), and the tool showed me exactly how the pro-rata rule would apply to my withdrawal. This saved me from reporting it incorrectly on my taxes. It generated this detailed tax planning document that my accountant was actually impressed with - showed exactly how much would be taxable and what would be considered a return of already-taxed contributions. What I found most helpful was the comparison showing different withdrawal amounts and timing options to minimize my tax impact. Definitely changed my approach to how I'm funding my education expenses now.

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How does this actually work though? I don't understand how some service can somehow get you through the IRS phone system when nobody else can. Sounds like they're just charging for something you could do yourself with enough persistence.

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Yeah right. The IRS phone system is a nightmare by design. I'll believe this works when I see pigs fly. No way they have some "special access" that regular people don't have.

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It's not magic or special access - they use automated technology that continually redials and navigates the IRS phone tree for you until it gets through. Instead of you personally having to sit there hitting redial and working through all the prompts over and over, their system does it while you go about your day. Once they reach a point where you're about to speak with an agent, they connect you. Regarding your skepticism, I completely understand because I felt exactly the same way. But when I got the call back with an agent ready to help with my education withdrawal questions, I had to admit it actually worked. It's just a more efficient way of dealing with the incredibly frustrating IRS phone system. The time I saved was worth it compared to the multiple failed attempts I had made on my own.

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Okay I need to eat crow here. After my skeptical comment about Claimyr, I decided to try it anyway because I was completely desperate after 9 attempts to reach the IRS about my own IRA education withdrawal situation. I was already on hold for a cumulative 6+ hours across multiple days with no success. The service actually worked exactly as advertised. I got a call back in about 90 minutes with an IRS representative on the line. The agent clarified that I needed to use code "08" on my 1099-R for the education expense exception, and explained how the 10% penalty exception works vs. the taxation of the distribution itself. This saved me a ton of stress since I needed to file soon and was planning my withholding based on some incorrect assumptions. I hate admitting when I'm wrong, but in this case, I definitely was!

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Something nobody has mentioned yet - have you considered taking a loan from your 401k instead of withdrawing from your IRA? If you have access to both, a 401k loan for education might be better tax-wise than an IRA withdrawal. With a 401k loan: - No immediate taxes owed - No penalties - You pay interest to yourself - Generally need to repay within 5 years The downside is if you leave your job, you typically need to repay the full loan quickly or it converts to a distribution with taxes/penalties.

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Thanks for suggesting this! I actually don't have a 401k right now since I'm working as an independent contractor. That's why I set up the IRA in the first place. But that would have been a good option if I had one!

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Just wanted to add another consideration - if these are expenses for yourself or your spouse's education, you might want to look into using a 529 plan first before tapping your retirement funds. You can contribute to your own 529 plan and then immediately withdraw for qualified expenses. Depending on your state, you might get a state tax deduction for the contribution even though you're turning around and using it right away. Traditional IRA withdrawals should really be your last resort for education funding because you're depleting your retirement savings and creating a tax event. Have you looked into scholarships, grants or federal student loans first?

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The 529 advice sounds nice in theory, but most states that offer tax deductions for 529 contributions have annual limits that are pretty low compared to education costs. Also, some states have a waiting period before you can withdraw funds after depositing them specifically to prevent this kind of immediate-withdrawal strategy.

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You raise fair points. The state deduction limits do vary significantly, and you're right about some states having waiting periods to prevent that strategy. Georgia, for example, requires funds to be in the account for at least 10 days before withdrawal. The 529 approach would be more beneficial as a partial strategy rather than covering all expenses, especially if combined with other funding sources. It's still worth running the numbers for your specific state, as even a small tax benefit is better than none when you're paying for education.

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One thing to consider that I learned the hard way: when you withdraw from a traditional IRA for qualified education expenses, you still need to set aside money for the income taxes you'll owe! I didn't budget for this, and ended up with a surprise tax bill the following April. Consider asking Fidelity to withhold taxes from your distribution (you can usually specify a percentage). Otherwise, you might need to make estimated tax payments to avoid underpayment penalties, especially if it's a large withdrawal.

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How much should you tell them to withhold? Is there a standard percentage that works for most people?

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The withholding percentage really depends on your tax bracket, but a good rule of thumb is to withhold at least your marginal tax rate plus a buffer. For most people, this means 20-25% is a safe starting point. You can also look at your most recent tax return to see what effective tax rate you paid on your total income, then add a few percentage points to account for the additional income from the IRA withdrawal potentially pushing you into a higher bracket. If you're unsure, it's better to withhold too much and get a refund than to owe money and potentially face penalties. Fidelity can help you calculate this when you request the distribution - they deal with these situations all the time.

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Just to add one more important point that hasn't been fully covered - make sure you keep detailed records of your qualified education expenses! The IRS can ask for documentation to prove that your early withdrawal was indeed used for qualifying educational costs. Keep receipts for tuition, fees, books, supplies, and required equipment. If you're audited, you'll need to show that the withdrawal amount didn't exceed your actual qualified expenses for that tax year. Also, be aware that if you receive other tax-free educational benefits like scholarships or employer tuition assistance, those might reduce the amount you can claim as qualified expenses for the penalty exception. I'd recommend creating a dedicated folder (physical or digital) to store all education-related receipts and your 1099-R from Fidelity when you receive it. This will make tax filing much smoother and give you peace of mind that you have proper documentation.

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This is such an important point that I wish I had known earlier! I made an IRA withdrawal for my son's college expenses last year and just threw all the receipts in a shoebox. When I went to do my taxes, I realized I had no organized way to match up the withdrawal amount with the actual qualified expenses. One thing I learned is that you also need to be careful about timing - the qualified expenses need to be paid in the same tax year as the withdrawal, or in the case of expenses paid in the first three months of the following year, they can count toward the prior year's withdrawal. This timing rule can be tricky if you're withdrawing money late in the year for spring semester expenses. Also worth noting that room and board expenses can qualify, but only up to the school's official cost of attendance figures, not what you actually pay if you're living off-campus. The documentation requirements for room and board are a bit more complex than just keeping tuition receipts.

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This is such a helpful discussion! I'm actually considering a similar situation but for graduate school expenses. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you might want to check if your education expenses qualify for any education tax credits (like the American Opportunity Credit or Lifetime Learning Credit) in addition to using the IRA withdrawal penalty exception. However, there's an important catch: you can't "double-dip" on the same expenses. If you use your IRA withdrawal to pay for tuition that you're also claiming for an education tax credit, you need to reduce your qualified education expenses for the penalty exception by the amount you're claiming for the credit. This coordination between different tax benefits can get complicated, so it might be worth running the numbers both ways - sometimes it's better to skip the education credits and maximize your qualified expenses for the IRA penalty exception, especially if you're in a higher tax bracket where the penalty savings outweigh the credit benefits. Also, @Saleem Vaziri, since you mentioned you're working with Fidelity, they should be able to provide you with a worksheet that helps calculate exactly how much of your withdrawal will be taxable based on your contribution history. Don't hesitate to ask them for this - it's a standard service they provide for IRA distributions.

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Ev Luca

This is exactly the kind of detailed advice I was hoping to find! The coordination between education tax credits and IRA penalty exceptions is something I never would have thought about on my own. I'm curious though - how do you actually calculate which approach gives you the better tax outcome? Is there a simple way to compare the value of avoiding the 10% penalty versus claiming something like the American Opportunity Credit? It seems like it would depend heavily on your specific tax situation and the amounts involved. Also, thanks for the tip about asking Fidelity for the worksheet! I had no idea they provided that service. That should definitely help me understand exactly what portion of my withdrawal will be taxable given my mix of deductible and non-deductible contributions over the years.

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