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Samuel Robinson

How to properly file a tax return after the IRS filed a substitute return for me

So I've been putting off filing some of my taxes for a while (I know, I know, terrible idea) and just found out the IRS went ahead and filed a substitute return for me. Now I'm trying to figure out the right way to fix this situation. I'm not sure if I should file a regular 1040 since technically I never actually filed anything myself, or if I need to file a 1040X amended return with the amounts from the IRS substitute return in the "original" column of the 1040X. Has anyone dealt with this situation before? I really need to get this straightened out and I want to make sure I'm using the correct forms. The last thing I want is to make this mess even worse by filing the wrong type of return!

You'll need to file an original Form 1040 for the tax year in question, not a 1040X. The substitute return filed by the IRS (also called an SFR - Substitute for Return) is generally prepared with minimal information and doesn't include all the deductions and credits you might be entitled to. The IRS prepares these substitute returns based on income information they receive from third parties (like W-2s and 1099s) but they don't know about your eligible deductions or credits. They typically file you as single with standard deduction only, which often results in a higher tax liability than you might actually owe. When you file your original return, it will replace the substitute return in the IRS system. Make sure to include all your income, deductions, and credits you're entitled to. Also, be prepared for some processing delays as the IRS will need to review your return against their substitute return.

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If I file my original return after they've already assessed taxes based on their substitute return, will that automatically stop any collections process they've started? I'm worried they might continue trying to collect on their assessed amount while processing my actual return.

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Filing your original return will not automatically stop collection actions that have already begun. You should contact the IRS directly to request a hold on collections while your original return is being processed. However, once your original return is processed and accepted, it will replace the substitute return and any adjustments to your tax liability will be made accordingly. If you end up owing less than what was assessed on the substitute return, you'll receive credit for any overpayment or it will reduce your outstanding balance.

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JaylinCharles

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How exactly does it work with a substitute return situation? Does it pull the data from the IRS substitute return automatically or do you have to enter that info manually?

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Lucas Schmidt

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I'm skeptical about these types of services. Does it actually communicate with the IRS system or does it just help you prepare the forms? And did you still need to mail in paper forms or could you e-file?

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JaylinCharles

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It doesn't pull data from the IRS substitute return automatically - you need to enter your actual income and deduction information. What it does is help you organize all your documents and ensures you're claiming everything you're entitled to that the IRS might have missed when they prepared the substitute return. The service doesn't directly communicate with IRS systems in real-time, but it does prepare all your forms correctly for submission. In my case, I was able to e-file my return even though the IRS had done a substitute return. The system guided me through the proper steps to ensure my return would replace the substitute one without issues.

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Freya Collins

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LongPeri

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Wait, how does this actually work? Do they have some special connection to the IRS or something? I've been trying to get through for days about my substitute return issue.

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Lucas Schmidt

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Sounds like BS honestly. How could they possibly get you through when the IRS phone system is notoriously impenetrable? Seems like a scam to take advantage of desperate people dealing with tax problems.

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Freya Collins

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Lucas Schmidt

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I need to eat my words. After my skeptical comment, I was desperate enough to try Claimyr because I couldn't get through to the IRS about my substitute return situation. It actually worked exactly as described and got me connected to an IRS agent in about 45 minutes (which is still way better than the hours I wasted trying on my own). The agent explained that I needed to file an original 1040 with all my proper deductions and documentation, and they even put a temporary hold on collections while I get my paperwork together. The agent also told me to include a brief letter explaining that I'm filing to replace a substitute return. This alone saved me from potentially having my wages garnished while waiting for my original return to process.

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Oscar O'Neil

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One thing nobody mentioned yet - make sure you include a copy of any CP3219 Notice of Deficiency you received from the IRS related to the substitute return when you file your original return. This helps the processing center quickly identify that you're responding to a substitute return situation. Also, depending on how long ago the substitute return was filed, you might still be able to e-file your original return, but often you'll need to file a paper return in these cases. I'd recommend sending it certified mail with return receipt so you have proof of submission.

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Do you know if I'd need to include copies of all the same documents the IRS already has? Like W-2s and 1099s? Or just new documentation for deductions they wouldn't have considered in the substitute return?

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Oscar O'Neil

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You should include copies of ALL income documents (W-2s, 1099s, etc.) with your return, even if the IRS already has them. This ensures they can match your reported income with the information they used for the substitute return. Additionally, include all documentation for deductions and credits they wouldn't have known about - things like mortgage interest statements, property tax records, charitable contribution receipts, education expenses, etc. The more documentation you provide upfront, the less likely you'll face delays or follow-up questions.

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Has anyone here actually had penalties waived after filing to replace a substitute return? I'm in this situation now and wondering if I should include a penalty abatement request letter with my original return submission.

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I had success getting the failure-to-file penalty partially waived by submitting Form 843 after my original return was processed. Had to demonstrate "reasonable cause" for why I didn't file on time. In my case, I had medical issues and provided documentation. They didn't waive the interest though, just the penalty.

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Paolo Longo

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I went through this exact situation about 6 months ago. The key thing to understand is that you need to file an original 1040, not an amended return. The IRS substitute return isn't considered your "original" return - it's just a placeholder they created to assess taxes. When you file your actual return, make sure to attach a cover letter explaining that you're filing to replace an IRS substitute return. Include the tax year and mention any notice numbers you received. This helps the processing center handle it correctly. Also, be prepared for a longer processing time than normal. In my case, it took about 12 weeks for them to process my return and adjust my account. The good news is that once processed, I got a significant refund because the substitute return didn't include any of my deductions or credits. One tip: if you owe money on the substitute return and are worried about collection actions, definitely call the IRS (or use one of those services mentioned above) to request a hold on collections while your original return is being processed.

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This is really helpful, thank you for sharing your experience! A couple follow-up questions if you don't mind - when you say "longer processing time," did you get any acknowledgment from the IRS that they received your return during those 12 weeks? And did you have to deal with any notices or collection letters during that processing period, or did the hold you mentioned prevent all of that? I'm in a similar situation and trying to figure out what to expect timeline-wise. Also wondering if it's worth paying for certified mail or if regular mail is sufficient for this type of submission.

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I'm dealing with a substitute return situation right now too, and this thread has been incredibly helpful! One thing I wanted to add based on my research - if you're filing your original return to replace the substitute return, make sure you're also aware of any statutory notice periods that might be running. The IRS typically sends a CP3219 Notice of Deficiency (90-day letter) after they complete the substitute return assessment. If you receive one of these, you have 90 days to either file a petition with Tax Court OR file your original return. Don't let that 90-day window close because once it does, the assessment becomes final and much harder to challenge. I'm currently gathering all my documents to file my original return, and I'm planning to include copies of everything - all income statements, deduction receipts, and a detailed cover letter explaining the situation. Better to over-document than under-document in these cases. Also worth noting that if your original return shows you owe less than the substitute return (which is likely since they don't include deductions), any payments you already made toward the substitute return assessment will be credited toward your actual tax liability.

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Kai Rivera

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This is such valuable information about the 90-day notice period! I had no idea that timeline was so critical. Quick question - if someone receives that CP3219 notice, is it better to file the original return immediately or should they still take time to gather all their documentation properly? I'm wondering if there's a risk of filing an incomplete return just to beat the deadline versus taking more time to do it right but potentially missing the window. Also, when you mention that payments already made get credited - does that happen automatically once the original return is processed, or do you need to specifically request that credit be applied?

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