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Javier Cruz

How to make advance tax payments for current year without changing W4

So I realized I'm probably going to owe the IRS money when I file next year, but I really don't want to mess with changing my W4 with my employer. I've been looking into making estimated tax payments to cover the difference, but I'm a bit confused about the whole quarterly payment schedule the IRS mentions. Can I just make a single payment now to catch up on what I should have been paying? Like if I've only had $3800 withheld from my paychecks so far, but should have paid around $5100 based on my expected income, can I just pay that $1300 difference now? Then maybe make another payment toward the end of the year once I have a better idea of my total income? Do I need to follow those specific quarterly deadlines listed on the IRS website, or can I just pay when I have the extra cash? I want to avoid any penalties but also keep things simple.

Emma Wilson

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You can absolutely make a payment now to catch up on your tax liability, but there are some things to consider about timing and potential penalties. The IRS quarterly estimated tax payment schedule exists to ensure people are paying their taxes throughout the year, not just at filing time. The four deadlines are typically April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 of the following year. If you're underpaid at this point and make a payment now, that could help reduce or eliminate any potential penalties. The IRS calculates underpayment penalties based on how much you owe and how long you've been underpaid. So paying sooner rather than later is generally better. To avoid penalties completely, you typically need to have paid (through withholding or estimated payments) either 90% of your current year tax or 100% of your previous year's tax (110% if your AGI was over $150,000).

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Malik Thomas

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If I make that catch up payment now, do I need to specify which quarter it's for or does the IRS just apply it to my overall balance? And am I supposed to use Form 1040-ES for these payments or is there a different way to do it?

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Emma Wilson

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When you make an estimated payment now, the IRS will apply it as of the date received - you don't specify which quarter it's for. This is important because any penalties are calculated based on when the payments were made relative to when they were due, so a payment today won't retroactively cover an earlier quarter's obligation. Yes, you should use Form 1040-ES vouchers when making these payments, though many people just use the IRS Direct Pay system online (https://www.irs.gov/payments) and select "estimated tax" as the payment reason. It's simple and gives you immediate confirmation of your payment.

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NeonNebula

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Does taxr.ai actually help figure out the quarterly payment amounts? My situation is complicated because I have W2 income plus some stock sales and a rental property. I'm never sure how much I should be paying each quarter.

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Ravi Malhotra

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I'm skeptical about these tax services... can't you just use the worksheet that comes with Form 1040-ES to figure this out? Why pay for something when the IRS provides the forms free?

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NeonNebula

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Yes, they calculate the quarterly payment amounts based on your full tax situation. You input your W2 income, expected investment gains, rental income, and any other sources, and it projects your total tax liability and breaks it down by quarter. It even accounts for income that doesn't come evenly throughout the year. The IRS worksheets are definitely an option, but they're generic and not always easy to follow with complicated situations. I found the automated calculations saved me hours of time going back and forth with the worksheets, plus I get updated recommendations if my income changes during the year.

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Chloe Davis

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AstroAlpha

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One thing nobody has mentioned yet - if you're making estimated tax payments because of self-employment income, remember you may need to make payments for self-employment tax (Social Security and Medicare) as well as income tax. This tripped me up my first year freelancing. I calculated my income tax correctly but completely forgot about the additional 15.3% for self-employment tax. My total tax bill was WAY higher than I had planned for.

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Javier Cruz

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Is that the same thing as FICA tax? I do have about $12k in freelance income I expect this year on top of my regular job. Do I need to calculate that 15.3% separately from the regular income tax portion when making estimated payments?

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AstroAlpha

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Yes, FICA consists of Social Security and Medicare taxes. When you're self-employed, you pay both the employer and employee portions, which totals 15.3% (though you get a deduction for half of it). For your estimated payments, you should be calculating both regular income tax and self-employment tax together. So if you expect to owe $1,500 in income tax and $1,800 in self-employment tax on your freelance income, your estimated payments should total $3,300. The IRS doesn't separate these when you make payments - it's all just "estimated tax.

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Diego Chavez

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If you want to avoid having to figure out estimated payments altogether next year, another option is to increase your withholding from your W-2 job. If you have a decent paying regular job, you can fill out a new W-4 and put an additional dollar amount to be withheld from each paycheck. This approach has a big advantage: Withholding is considered to be paid evenly throughout the year even if it's actually withheld later in the year. So if you realize in November that you're going to owe $2,000 more, you could have extra withheld from your November and December paychecks and the IRS treats it as if you paid it evenly January through December!

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That's a really good point! I increased my withholding at my regular job instead of doing quarterly payments and it was so much easier. The IRS gives preferential treatment to withholding compared to estimated payments - it's weird but definitely works in your favor if you have a W-2 job.

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Amina Diallo

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Great question! You're right that you can make a catch-up payment now rather than waiting until filing time - that's definitely better for avoiding penalties. The IRS doesn't require you to follow the exact quarterly schedule if you're just trying to true up your withholding shortfall. However, keep in mind that estimated tax payments are applied as of the date received, so a payment made now won't retroactively cover earlier quarters. But it will stop additional penalties from accruing going forward. For your situation with $3,800 withheld vs $5,100 expected liability, making that $1,300 payment now makes sense. You can use the IRS Direct Pay system online - just select "estimated tax" as the payment type. No need for paper forms. One thing to double-check: make sure your $5,100 calculation includes both income tax AND self-employment tax if any of your income is from freelancing or contract work. That 15.3% self-employment tax often catches people off guard!

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Edison Estevez

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This is really helpful, thanks! Just to clarify - when you say the payment is applied "as of the date received," does that mean if I make a payment today it only counts toward the current quarter going forward? Or does it still help reduce the overall penalty calculation even if I missed earlier quarterly deadlines? I want to make sure I understand how the penalty calculation works before I decide how much to pay now versus waiting until the end of the year.

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