How to handle US Taxes while living abroad in New Zealand? Foreign income challenges
My wife and I are both US citizens, but she also has citizenship in New Zealand. We're seriously looking at moving to NZ in the next year or so, but want to keep our options open for returning to the States eventually. I've got some questions about how taxes would work with our planned setup. We're thinking about: 1. Keeping our house in the US and renting it out. We'd probably just break even on the mortgage and maintenance, so not really expecting any profit there. 2. Opening a small business in New Zealand - we're looking at buying a property with a main house and some separate units we could rent out as a bed and breakfast. My wife would be the official owner as a NZ citizen, and we'd likely reinvest any profits back into the property for the first few years. 3. I work for a global company that has offices in New Zealand, so I could potentially transfer and keep my job. I'd be working on a visa at first, though I could eventually apply for NZ citizenship too. I'd still want to contribute to my US 401k if possible. Does anyone have experience with this kind of situation? What are the tax implications of keeping US investments (401k, stocks, etc.) while living abroad? Do I still file US taxes on NZ income? Any advice would be super helpful!
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Diego Mendoza
You've asked some great questions! As a US citizen, you'll need to file US tax returns regardless of where you live - the US taxes based on citizenship, not residency. However, there are some provisions that can help you avoid double taxation. First, look into the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (FEIE), which allows you to exclude up to $126,500 (2025 amount) of foreign earned income from US taxes. There's also the Foreign Tax Credit, which gives you dollar-for-dollar credit for income taxes paid to New Zealand. For your rental property in the US, you'll report the income and expenses on Schedule E as usual. Even if you're breaking even, you'll need to track everything carefully since depreciation must be taken into account. Regarding your 401k, you can generally continue contributing if you remain employed by a US company, even if working abroad. However, if you're paid in NZ dollars or become an employee of a foreign affiliate, it could complicate matters. For the B&B business, since your wife would be the sole owner and she's a US citizen, that income would need to be reported on US returns too, even if it's a New Zealand business reinvesting all profits.
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Anastasia Popova
•This is really helpful info. How does the FEIE work with retirement accounts? If I exclude my foreign income using FEIE, can I still contribute to my 401k based on that same income?
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Diego Mendoza
•If you claim the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion, you generally can't use that excluded income as the basis for retirement contributions. This is one of the downsides of using FEIE - the income you exclude doesn't count as "earned income" for retirement account purposes. For this reason, some expats find it more beneficial to use the Foreign Tax Credit instead of FEIE, especially if they're in a country with higher tax rates than the US. With the Foreign Tax Credit, you still report all income as earned income, potentially allowing you to continue making retirement account contributions.
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Sean Flanagan
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Zara Shah
•Does taxr.ai handle the New Zealand-specific tax treaty issues? My cousin moved to Auckland last year and had major issues with figuring out what income was taxable where.
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NebulaNomad
•I'm a bit skeptical about online tax tools for expat situations. Can it really handle complex cases like having a foreign business? And do you need to manually input all the NZ tax laws or does it know them already?
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Sean Flanagan
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NebulaNomad
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Luca Ferrari
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Aisha Hussain
Something nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you research New Zealand's tax treatment of foreign investment income. When I moved to NZ from the US in 2023, I was surprised to learn about their Foreign Investment Fund (FIF) rules. Basically, NZ taxes foreign investments (like your US stocks) differently than local investments. You'll need to pay NZ tax on either 5% of the opening market value of your investments OR the actual gains - whichever method you choose. It can get complicated with the conversion between USD and NZD too.
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Chloe Harris
•Thanks for bringing this up! I hadn't even considered how NZ might tax my US investments. Do you know if retirement accounts like 401ks get any special treatment under NZ tax law? Or would they fall under these same FIF rules?
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Aisha Hussain
•US retirement accounts are still subject to NZ's FIF rules, unfortunately. There's no special exemption for 401k or IRA accounts under NZ tax law, unlike some other countries that have reciprocal agreements for retirement accounts. You'll need to include the market value of your 401k in your FIF calculations for NZ tax purposes, which means you could be paying NZ tax on those funds even though they're tax-deferred in the US. This is one of the trickier parts of the US-NZ situation, as the tax treaty doesn't fully address retirement account double taxation.
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Ethan Clark
Don't forget about FATCA and FBAR requirements! When you have financial accounts outside the US exceeding certain thresholds, you need to report them. FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) is required if your foreign accounts exceed $10,000 at any point during the year, and FATCA forms are required at various thresholds depending on your filing status. The penalties for not filing these forms are CRAZY high even if you don't owe any tax. Like, $10,000+ for non-willful violations. Make sure you're tracking all your NZ bank accounts, including any business accounts for that B&B venture.
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StarStrider
•This is so true. My friend got hit with a $12,500 penalty for missing FBAR filings for 3 years while living in Australia. She didn't even know about the requirement and wasn't trying to hide anything - she paid all her taxes correctly! The reporting requirements are completely separate from tax liability.
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Leila Haddad
Just wanted to add another perspective on the business structure aspect. Since your wife would be the owner of the B&B as a NZ citizen, you'll also need to consider whether this creates any issues with US gift tax rules if you're contributing funds to a business you don't legally own. Also, regarding the rental property in the US - even if you're breaking even cashflow-wise, don't forget that you'll be taking depreciation deductions which will reduce your basis. When you eventually sell, you'll have depreciation recapture to deal with, which is taxed as ordinary income up to 25%. This could create a significant tax bill down the road that many people don't anticipate. One more thing to research: NZ has something called the "bright-line test" for property investments, which could affect the tax treatment of your B&B if you sell within a certain timeframe. Since you're planning to reinvest profits initially, this might not be immediate concern, but it's worth understanding for long-term planning. The international tax situation is definitely complex, but with proper planning and the right resources, it's totally manageable. Good luck with the move!
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Charlotte White
•This is exactly the kind of detailed analysis I was hoping to find! The gift tax implications of contributing to a business I don't own is something I hadn't even considered. Would structuring it as a loan to my wife potentially avoid those issues, or would that create other complications? Also, the depreciation recapture point is really important - I was only thinking about the annual cash flow but you're right that the tax implications when we eventually sell could be substantial. Do you know if there are any strategies to minimize that impact, like 1031 exchanges for rental properties owned by expats? Thanks for mentioning the NZ bright-line test too. It sounds like there are tax implications on both sides that could really add up if we're not careful with the planning.
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Jamal Brown
•Great questions! For the gift tax issue, structuring contributions as a loan could help, but you'd need to document it properly with formal loan agreements, market interest rates, and actual repayment terms. The IRS scrutinizes loans between spouses, especially when one spouse owns a business the other is funding. Regarding 1031 exchanges for expats - this gets tricky. You can still do like-kind exchanges, but the timing requirements (45-day identification, 180-day completion) become much harder to manage from abroad. Plus, if you're a NZ tax resident, NZ might not recognize the tax deferral and could tax the gain immediately, defeating part of the purpose. For depreciation recapture, one strategy is installment sales if you owner-finance the buyer, which spreads the recapture over multiple years. Another option is converting to your primary residence before sale (though you'd need to meet the 2-out-of-5-years test while abroad, which has its own complications). The NZ bright-line test is currently 10 years for most investment properties, so definitely factor that into your long-term planning. Between US depreciation recapture and potential NZ bright-line tax, the timing of any property sales becomes really important.
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