Filing US Taxes while living abroad in New Zealand? What to expect for expats?
I'm currently planning a move to New Zealand with my husband (we're both US citizens, but he also has New Zealand citizenship). We want to keep our options open for possibly returning to the States eventually, and I'm trying to figure out the tax situation. Here's what we're thinking of doing: 1. We're planning to rent out our house in the US. From what I can tell, we'd basically break even after mortgage and maintenance costs - not really expecting to make any profit since we'll just reinvest in upkeep. 2. We want to buy a small boutique hotel or guesthouse property in NZ. It would have a main house for us to live in plus several rental units for tourists. My husband would be the official owner/operator since he's a Kiwi citizen. We'd likely reinvest all profits back into the property during the first few years at least. Not sure if we should get financing from our US bank (where we have a good history) or use an NZ bank. 3. My employer is a global company and has offices in Auckland. They've offered to relocate me with a work visa. I'd eventually qualify for NZ permanent residency. I'd like to keep contributing to my American 401k if possible. What should I expect regarding US tax obligations while living abroad? Do I still file US taxes on my NZ income? What about things like my existing investments in the US (401k, stocks, etc.)? Any tips from people who've done this before?
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Andre Moreau
Yes, as a US citizen, you'll still need to file US tax returns even while living in New Zealand. The US taxes based on citizenship, not residency. The good news is there are provisions to prevent double taxation. Look into the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion (FEIE) which allows you to exclude up to $120,000 (for 2024) of foreign earned income from US taxation. Alternatively, you could use the Foreign Tax Credit, which gives you credit for taxes paid to New Zealand. Often the Foreign Tax Credit works better if NZ tax rates are higher than US rates. For your rental property in the US, that's still US-sourced income and will be taxed normally on your US return. You'll need to report rental income and expenses on Schedule E. Even if you break even or show a small loss, you still need to report it. Regarding your 401k, you can typically continue contributions if you're still employed by a US company, even while working abroad. However, this gets complicated if you're transferred to a foreign subsidiary, so check with your HR department. For the B&B business in NZ, if your husband (as a NZ citizen) is the sole owner and you have no ownership stake, you might avoid some US reporting requirements. However, if you're involved in the business, look into FBAR filing requirements and possibly Form 8938 for foreign financial assets.
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Zoe Stavros
•Thanks for this helpful info! Do you know if there's any tax treaty between the US and NZ that might help? Also, what about banking - I've heard some foreign banks don't want American customers because of FATCA reporting requirements. Is that going to be an issue in NZ?
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Andre Moreau
•The US and New Zealand do have a tax treaty which helps prevent double taxation. It has specific provisions for various types of income including employment, self-employment, investment income, and pensions. You'll want to review this treaty as it may affect which tax strategy (FEIE or Foreign Tax Credit) works best for your situation. Regarding banking, yes, FATCA has made some foreign financial institutions reluctant to take US customers due to reporting requirements. However, major banks in New Zealand generally accept US citizens as customers, though you'll need to complete extra paperwork for FATCA compliance. You'll also need to file annual FBAR forms with the US Treasury if your foreign accounts total over $10,000 at any point during the year.
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
One thing nobody mentioned yet - look into whether you qualify for the Physical Presence Test or the Bona Fide Residence Test for the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion. You need to meet one of these to qualify, and they have different requirements. Physical Presence requires you to be physically present in a foreign country for 330 full days during a 12-month period. Bona Fide Residence requires you to be a genuine resident of a foreign country for an entire tax year (Jan-Dec). Since you're planning to live there permanently, Bona Fide will probably work better for you long-term, but you might need to use Physical Presence in your first year. Also, don't forget state taxes! Some states like California are notorious for trying to claim you're still a resident even after you move abroad. Make sure you properly terminate your state residency before leaving.
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QuantumQuester
•Thanks for bringing up the residency tests - that's super helpful. Do you have any advice on how to properly terminate state residency? We're in Colorado currently. Also, any idea how our B&B business structure should work to minimize tax headaches?
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Fatima Al-Qasimi
•Colorado is actually one of the better states for establishing non-residency when you move abroad. To properly terminate your Colorado residency, you should: change your driver's license to a New Zealand one, register to vote in NZ, close Colorado bank accounts or change them to non-resident accounts, sell or rent out your Colorado property, and document your departure with clear intention not to return except for brief visits. Keep copies of your NZ visa, housing lease/purchase, and utility bills as proof of your new domicile. For the B&B business structure, having your husband (as an NZ citizen) own it 100% would simplify your US tax situation significantly. If you co-own it, you'll face additional US reporting requirements like Form 8858 for foreign disregarded entities or possibly Form 5471 for foreign corporations, depending on how you structure it. Consider an NZ Limited Company with your husband as the sole shareholder, while you could be an employee if you'll be working in the business. Consult with a tax professional familiar with both US and NZ systems before finalizing your structure.
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Dylan Cooper
WARNING: You need to be super careful with your US brokerage accounts! Many US financial institutions will FREEZE or even CLOSE your accounts when they find out you have a foreign address. I moved to Australia and lost access to my Vanguard account until I could provide a US address (ended up using my parents'). Also, don't forget about PFIC rules if you invest in non-US mutual funds or ETFs in New Zealand - the tax treatment is BRUTAL. Stick with US-based investments through your existing accounts if possible.
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Sofia Ramirez
•Sadly this is true. I had my Schwab account restricted (couldn't add any new investments) when I moved to Germany. It's ridiculous that being a US citizen abroad makes it harder to keep US financial accounts. I now use a mail forwarding service for a US address.
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Diego Mendoza
Great question! I went through something similar when I moved to the UK a few years ago. A couple of additional points that might help: For your 401(k), you'll want to check if your employer's plan allows contributions while you're on international assignment. Some plans restrict this, but since you mentioned they have Auckland offices, they likely have experience with expat employees. Also consider that if you become an NZ tax resident, your 401(k) growth might be taxable in NZ even if it's tax-deferred in the US - definitely something to discuss with a tax advisor familiar with both systems. Regarding your rental property breaking even - don't forget about depreciation! Even if your cash flow is neutral, you can still claim depreciation on the property which often creates a tax loss on paper. This can be valuable for offsetting other income. One more tip: start keeping detailed records of everything NOW. Track your days in each country (for the physical presence test), keep receipts for moving expenses, and document your ties to NZ vs the US. The IRS loves documentation, and good records will save you headaches later. Also consider opening an account with a US bank that's expat-friendly (like Schwab International) before you move. It's much easier to establish these relationships while you still have a US address.
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Nia Williams
•This is really comprehensive advice, thanks! The point about Schwab International is especially helpful - I hadn't thought about setting up expat-friendly banking before we move. Quick question about the depreciation on our rental property: does that create any issues when we eventually sell? I've heard something about "depreciation recapture" but not sure how that works or if it affects us differently as expats.
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