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Saanvi Krishnaswami

How to fill out Form 1040-NR for treaty country tax refund - 30% withheld when eligible for 0%

So I'm super confused with filling out this 1040-NR form to get back my withheld taxes. I'm from a country that has a tax treaty with the US, which means I should qualify for 0% tax, but they still took 30% from my payments. I received my Form 1042-S which shows the 30% withholding, but I'm stuck on lines 24 and 34 of the 1040-NR form. I think I've got most other parts of the form filled out correctly (I hope), but these specific lines are giving me a headache. Line 24 seems to be about exemptions from the tax treaty, and line 34 is about refunds, but the instructions are so confusing! I've been staring at the IRS instructions for hours trying to make sense of them. Does anyone have experience with this specific situation? I just want to get my money back since I shouldn't have been taxed at all according to the treaty. Any help would be seriously appreciated!

Demi Lagos

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The 1040-NR can definitely be confusing, especially with treaty benefits! I've helped several international clients with similar situations. For Line 24, you'll enter the income that's exempt from US tax due to your treaty. This should match the gross income reported on your 1042-S. You need to also write the treaty article number and country in the spaces provided next to line 24. Make sure to check your specific country's treaty article that provides the 0% rate. For Line 34, this is where you claim your refund amount. It should equal the amount of tax that was withheld (the 30% shown on your 1042-S). Double-check that the withholding amount from your 1042-S is correctly reported on Line 25e of your 1040-NR first. Also, don't forget to complete Form 8833 (Treaty-Based Return Position Disclosure) to explain your treaty position. Some exceptions apply, but it's generally required when claiming treaty benefits.

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Mason Lopez

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Thank you for the detailed response! For the treaty article, would that be Article 12 for royalties in my case? And do I need to submit a copy of my 1042-S with the return, or just keep it for my records?

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Demi Lagos

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If your income is from royalties, then yes, you would cite the royalty article which is often Article 12 in many treaties, but check your specific country's treaty to be certain. The article number can vary by treaty. You don't need to submit a copy of your 1042-S with your return, but I strongly recommend keeping it for your records. The IRS already has this information reported to them by the withholding agent, but you should keep your copy for at least 3 years after filing in case of any questions or audit.

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Vera Visnjic

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Jake Sinclair

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Did it help with figuring out if you needed to file state tax returns too? I'm in a similar situation but also confused about state obligations since I did some work while physically in California.

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I'm always skeptical of tax software for international situations. Did it actually handle your specific country's treaty correctly? I tried another service and it completely missed a special provision in the Netherlands treaty.

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Vera Visnjic

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Honorah King

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Mary Bates

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Quick question about Form 8833 - does anyone know if there's a minimum dollar threshold for when you need to file it? I have a relatively small amount ($3,800) that was subject to withholding under a treaty with Japan.

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Demi Lagos

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Yes, there is a threshold! You generally don't need to file Form 8833 if the total amount of treaty-exempt income is under $10,000. This is mentioned in the instructions for Form 8833 under "Exceptions From Reporting." So for your $3,800 from Japan, you likely don't need to file Form 8833. However, you still need to claim the treaty benefit on line 24 of Form 1040-NR and include your treaty country and article number.

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Thanks! That's really helpful. I was worried I'd have to fill out the extra form. Good to know I can just put the info on line 24 and still get my refund.

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Ayla Kumar

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Has anyone actually received their refund after filing 1040-NR with treaty benefits? I filed mine 4 months ago claiming a treaty exemption and still haven't gotten anything. I'm worried I did something wrong.

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Mason Lopez

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I filed in February claiming treaty benefits and got my refund in about 6 weeks. Did you e-file or paper file? Paper filing takes significantly longer to process.

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Ayla Kumar

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I paper filed because I wasn't sure if e-filing would work for my situation with the treaty claim. Ugh, sounds like that might be why it's taking so long. Do you know if there's any way to check the status with my foreign ID instead of an SSN?

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CyberSiren

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You can check your refund status using the IRS "Where's My Refund" tool online, but you'll need either an SSN or Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN). If you don't have either, you might need to call the IRS directly to check on your paper-filed return status. Paper filing for 1040-NR with treaty claims can definitely take longer - sometimes 12-16 weeks or more during busy periods. The IRS has to manually review treaty claims, which adds processing time. If it's been 4 months, it might be worth calling to make sure there weren't any issues with your return that are causing delays.

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QuantumQuasar

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I went through this exact same situation last year with treaty benefits from Canada. The key thing that helped me was making sure I understood the difference between reporting the income and claiming the exemption. You'll report your gross income from the 1042-S in the appropriate income section of the 1040-NR (like line 8 for royalties), then on line 24 you'll enter that same amount as exempt under the treaty. Write your country name and the specific treaty article number next to line 24. For line 34, that's your refund amount - it should equal the 30% that was withheld shown on your 1042-S. Make sure you've entered the withholding amount correctly on line 25e first. One thing that tripped me up initially was thinking I only needed to put the income on line 24, but you actually need to report it in both places. The IRS needs to see the full picture of your income and then the treaty exemption that applies to it. Also double-check your country's specific treaty to make sure you're citing the right article. Most royalty income falls under Article 12, but some treaties have different numbering or special provisions.

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Javier Torres

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This is incredibly helpful! I think this double-reporting requirement is where I've been getting confused. So just to make sure I understand - if my 1042-S shows $10,000 in royalty income with $3,000 withheld (30%), I would put $10,000 on line 8 for royalty income, then also put $10,000 on line 24 as treaty-exempt income with my country and article number, and then claim the full $3,000 as my refund on line 34? I've been second-guessing myself because it seemed like I was reporting the same income twice.

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