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How to correctly report Roth IRA contribution and withdrawal when exceeding income limits?

I need some guidance with my Roth IRA reporting situation. I'm confused about how to handle my contributions and withdrawals for tax purposes since we exceeded the income threshold. Here's what happened: In 2023, I made my first Roth IRA contribution of $1,500. Later that year, I discovered that my husband and I had earned too much to qualify for direct Roth contributions. My financial advisor told me I needed to withdraw the money to avoid penalties, so in early 2024 (before filing my 2023 taxes), I took out the entire amount which had grown to about $1,530. For my 2023 taxes, I completed Form 5329 and listed the year-end value ($1,530) on line A. For my 2024 taxes, I filled out Form 5329 again and entered $1,500 on lines 18, 22, and 24 for excess contribution. I'm not sure if this was the right approach. I also contributed $7,000 to my Roth in 2024, so I reported that on my taxes as well. On my 2024 IRA Information Form, I listed my basis for contributions as $8,500 ($1,500 from 2023 plus $7,000 for 2024), even though I had withdrawn the entire 2023 contribution. Before I file my 2025 taxes, I want to make sure I handled everything correctly. Do I need to amend either my 2023 or 2024 returns? Should I have reported a distribution/withdrawal for either year? Was my basis calculation correct given the withdrawal? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

You've got a bit of a mix-up here that needs sorting out. When you contribute to a Roth IRA but exceed the income limits, you have two main options: remove the excess contribution (what you did) or recharacterize it as a Traditional IRA contribution. For your 2023 contribution that you withdrew in 2024: You were right to report the excess on Form 5329, but your basis calculation needs adjustment. Since you completely withdrew the 2023 contribution (plus earnings) before filing, that $1,500 should NOT be included in your basis going forward. Your basis should only include valid contributions that remain in the account. The earnings on your excess contribution ($30) are considered taxable income in the year you withdrew them (2024). You should have received a 1099-R from your brokerage showing this distribution. For your 2024 contribution of $7,000: If you're still over the income limit for 2024, you'll need to address this before the filing deadline as well. If you're under the limit for 2024, then the $7,000 contribution is fine and would be your correct basis. Hope this helps clarify things!

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Thanks for the explanation. I'm still confused about something though - does the fact that I withdrew the excess contribution before the tax filing deadline (including extensions) for 2023 mean I don't owe the 6% excess contribution penalty? And what about the earnings - do I also owe a 10% early withdrawal penalty on those earnings if I'm under 59½?

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You're right to ask about the timing. If you withdrew the excess contribution plus earnings before your tax filing deadline (including extensions) for 2023, then you don't owe the 6% excess contribution penalty. This is called a "return of excess contributions." The IRS allows this remedy specifically to avoid the penalty. Regarding the earnings portion ($30), those are indeed subject to income tax in the year of withdrawal (2024). And yes, if you're under 59½, those earnings are also subject to the 10% early withdrawal penalty unless you qualify for an exception. The withdrawal of the principal amount ($1,500) isn't penalized or taxed since it was a return of excess contributions.

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Does the backdoor Roth method trigger any special reporting requirements? I'm worried about messing up my taxes even more. And what about the Step Transaction Doctrine? I've heard some tax professionals say there might be issues with doing the conversion immediately after the contribution.

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Just a heads-up based on personal experience: be VERY careful with your record keeping if you're doing Roth corrections or backdoor contributions. I messed up my basis tracking over multiple years and got hit with a CP2000 notice claiming I owed taxes on conversions that should have been tax-free. It took me months to untangle everything because I didn't have proper documentation for which contributions had been withdrawn as excess vs. which ones were converted properly. Make sure you keep ALL your 5498 and 1099-R forms indefinitely!

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Thank you for that warning. I'll definitely keep better records going forward. Should I be requesting any specific forms from my IRA provider to help document the excess contribution removal? And how many years of these documents should I be keeping?

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You should specifically request a statement or letter confirming the excess contribution removal and make sure they code the 1099-R properly. The code should indicate it was a "return of excess contributions" - usually code P or JP in box 7 of the 1099-R. As for how long to keep the documents, I personally now keep ALL retirement account documentation indefinitely. The technical requirement is 3 years from filing, but since IRA contributions and conversions can affect your basis for decades, it's safer to keep everything. I learned this the hard way when the IRS questioned transactions from 5 years prior. Just create a digital folder system and save everything - Form 5498 (showing contributions), 1099-R (showing distributions), account statements showing the removal of excess, and any correspondence with your provider about corrections.

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Based on your description, it sounds like you handled the excess contribution removal correctly by withdrawing before the filing deadline, which should have avoided the 6% penalty. However, there are a couple of areas that need attention: Your basis calculation is indeed incorrect. Since you withdrew the entire 2023 contribution of $1,500, that amount should NOT be included in your ongoing basis. Your basis should only reflect contributions that remain in the account - so for 2024, it should just be $7,000 (assuming you're eligible for the 2024 contribution). You should have received a 1099-R for the 2024 withdrawal showing the $1,530 distribution. The $1,500 principal portion isn't taxable since it was a return of excess contributions, but the $30 in earnings should be reported as taxable income on your 2024 return. If you're under 59½, those earnings are also subject to the 10% early withdrawal penalty. Make sure your IRA provider coded the 1099-R correctly - it should show code P or JP in box 7 to indicate "return of excess contributions." This helps the IRS understand the nature of the distribution. For 2024, double-check that your income still qualifies you for the $7,000 Roth contribution. If you're over the limit again, you'll want to address this before the filing deadline to avoid repeating the same issue. You likely don't need to amend your 2023 return if you properly reported the excess on Form 5329, but you should verify that your 2024 return correctly reports the earnings portion of the withdrawal as taxable income.

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This is really helpful - I think I've been making this more complicated than it needs to be. Just to clarify one more thing: when you say the $30 in earnings is subject to the 10% early withdrawal penalty, does that apply even though the withdrawal was to correct an excess contribution? I thought there might be an exception since it wasn't a voluntary distribution but rather a required correction. Also, should I expect to receive an amended 1099-R if my provider initially coded it incorrectly?

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