How do I report undetermined term transactions for noncovered tax lots on my tax return?
I'm working on my taxes and completely confused about how to handle some undetermined term transactions for noncovered tax lots on my brokerage statement. I switched brokers mid-year and received a 1099-B with several securities marked as "undetermined term" and "noncovered tax lots". I understand that noncovered means the broker doesn't report the cost basis to the IRS, but what exactly does "undetermined term" mean? Do I report these differently on Schedule D? Some of these investments were definitely held over a year, others maybe not. I'm worried about accidentally triggering an audit by reporting them incorrectly. Does anyone have experience dealing with this specific issue? I'm using TurboTax but it's not giving clear guidance on this particular situation.
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Alexander Evans
The terms "undetermined term" and "noncovered tax lots" relate to how your cost basis information is tracked and reported to the IRS. Here's what you need to know: "Undetermined term" means the broker doesn't have sufficient information to classify whether your holding period was short-term (less than 1 year) or long-term (more than 1 year). This happens often with transferred securities or inherited investments. "Noncovered tax lots" refers to securities acquired before certain dates when reporting requirements took effect (generally before 2011 for stocks, before 2012 for mutual funds, etc.). For these positions, brokers aren't required to report cost basis to the IRS. For tax reporting, you'll need to determine the actual acquisition dates and cost basis yourself. Check previous statements, confirmation slips, or records from your old broker. Once you determine the dates, you'll report them on Schedule D - either in Part I (short-term) or Part II (long-term) based on your holding period.
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Evelyn Martinez
•What happens if I literally can't find the original cost basis information? Some of these were from an account my grandfather set up years ago that I took over. Would it be okay to use the value from when I took over the account? Or am I stuck with a zero cost basis?
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Alexander Evans
•If you can't locate the original cost basis documents, you have several options. First, try contacting your previous broker - they might have records even though they weren't required to report them to the IRS. Your grandfather's financial advisor or accountant might also have this information. If those avenues fail, you can make a good faith estimate based on available information. For inherited assets, you generally receive a "stepped-up" basis to the fair market value on the date of death. If you took over while your grandfather was living, you would typically use his original basis (not the value when you took over). As a last resort, some tax software allows you to use a reasonable estimation method, but document your methodology carefully in case of audit.
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Benjamin Carter
I ran into almost the exact same situation last year with some transferred securities. I spent hours trying to track down cost basis info and still couldn't figure it out for about half my positions. I ended up using taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) and it saved me so much time. You upload your statements and it helps extract the info you need, plus it gives recommendations for handling undetermined term transactions. It even identified some wash sales that my broker had missed, which saved me from potential IRS issues.
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Maya Lewis
•How does it determine the holding period if your broker couldn't? Does it somehow have access to more information or does it just make an educated guess?
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Isaac Wright
•Is it actually accurate? I've tried other tax tools before that claimed to handle complex situations but ended up giving me wrong information. Especially concerned since we're talking about noncovered tax lots where there's no official reporting to compare against.
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Benjamin Carter
•It uses historic price data and transaction patterns to help identify likely purchase dates, then calculates the most probable holding period based on when you sold. It's not magical - it can't create information that doesn't exist - but it does a really good job connecting dots that might not be obvious. For your second question, I found it to be very accurate. The tool actually flagged several transactions my previous software had gotten wrong. The big difference is it's specifically designed for investment tax issues rather than being a general tax preparer. If it can't determine something with confidence, it tells you and suggests documentation to gather rather than guessing.
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Isaac Wright
Just wanted to update after trying taxr.ai for my undetermined term transaction issues. It worked way better than I expected! I uploaded my statements from both brokers and it actually matched up several positions that had transferred, solving my undetermined term problems. The interface showed me side-by-side comparisons of the transactions and highlighted where I needed to make decisions versus what it could automatically determine. Definitely worth it for anyone dealing with investment reporting headaches.
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Lucy Taylor
Another option if you're really stuck is just calling the IRS directly. I know that sounds crazy, but I managed to get through using Claimyr (https://claimyr.com). They have this service that basically waits on hold with the IRS for you, then calls you when an agent picks up. I watched their demo here https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c and decided to try it. The IRS agent I talked to walked me through exactly how to report some weird tax lot situations, and even told me which forms and documentation to include with my return. Saved me so much stress.
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Connor Murphy
•Wait, how does that actually work? I thought it was literally impossible to get through to the IRS by phone. Last time I tried I was on hold for 2 hours and then the call dropped.
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KhalilStar
•This sounds like a paid advertisement. I highly doubt the IRS is giving advice on specific tax situations over the phone. They usually just direct you to publications or tell you to consult a tax professional.
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Lucy Taylor
•The service basically keeps dialing and waiting on hold so you don't have to. They use some tech that knows the best times to call and which menu options to select. When an agent finally picks up, you get a call and are connected immediately. It's simple but effective. I totally get your skepticism. I was surprised too, but the IRS agent I spoke with was actually really helpful. They didn't give specific investment advice, but they did clarify the reporting requirements for undetermined term transactions and explained the documentation I should keep. They pointed me to specific sections of Publication 550 that addressed my situation. Obviously individual experiences may vary, but it was definitely not a waste of time for me.
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KhalilStar
I have to eat my words and admit I was wrong about Claimyr. After complaining about how it sounded like an ad, I got desperate enough to try it when I couldn't figure out how to report some weird options contracts with undetermined term status. Not only did I get through to the IRS in about 45 minutes (while I was doing other things), but the agent I spoke with actually pulled up my account and gave me specific guidance on how to handle these transactions. She explained I needed to complete Form 8949 with code T in column (f) and attach a statement explaining my basis determination method. Would have never figured that out on my own.
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Amelia Dietrich
Another approach for those undetermined term transactions: If you have access to your trade confirmations (check your email or account archive), you can definitively establish purchase dates. I had a bunch of "undetermined term" positions last year after transferring from E*TRADE to Fidelity, but was able to dig up all my original confirmations and create a spreadsheet. Then I just entered each transaction manually into Schedule D with the correct dates and basis. Time-consuming but accurate.
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Ruby Garcia
•I did find some old trade confirmations in my email, but there are still about 8 positions I can't track down. Would it be risky to just make my best guess based on when I think I bought them? I'm pretty sure they were all purchased in 2019, which would make them long-term anyway.
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Amelia Dietrich
•Making a reasonable estimate is acceptable when you truly don't have the records, but you should document how you arrived at your estimate. I'd recommend noting the method you used (like "estimated based on account statements showing position existed as of X date") in your tax file. The IRS generally allows good faith estimates when original records aren't available. Since you believe they're from 2019, they would indeed be long-term holdings. Just be consistent in your approach, and if you later find the actual information, you can file an amended return if there's a significant difference.
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Kaiya Rivera
Does anybody know if the "undetermined term" status affects the actual tax rate you pay? Or is it just an issue of which form/section to report it on? My broker labeled a bunch of my crypto transactions this way and I'm trying to figure out if it actually matters for how much tax I owe or just for paperwork purposes.
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Katherine Ziminski
•It absolutely affects your tax rate! Short-term gains (held less than 1 year) are taxed at your ordinary income rate, which could be up to 37% depending on your bracket. Long-term gains (held more than 1 year) are taxed at either 0%, 15%, or 20% depending on your income level. That's a massive difference! This is why determining the correct term is so important.
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