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Ava Kim

How do I handle estimated tax payments for capital gains tax on my 2025 return?

I desperately need help filing my 2024 taxes. One of the questions asks if I paid federal estimated taxes last year for 2023. Last year when I filed my 2023 taxes, I made $23,500 from my regular job at Target. But I also had to report around $52,000 in capital gains I made trading stocks. When I filed my taxes in April 2023, I ended up owing about $6,700 in federal taxes and around $2,600 in state taxes. I couldn't afford to make those payments by the filing deadline, so I set up an IRS payment plan and made payments from April through August of 2023. So my question is - were these considered "estimated tax payments" even though they were late payments for taxes I already owed? If they are, can I use those payments to get a higher refund this year? Does this only work for federal estimated payments and not state? I'm so confused and would really appreciate any help!

What you're describing aren't estimated tax payments - they're payments toward your 2023 tax liability. Estimated tax payments are made throughout the year (usually quarterly) for income that doesn't have taxes withheld, like your capital gains. The payments you made on your payment plan were simply paying off your 2023 tax bill after filing. You wouldn't include these as "estimated tax payments" for your 2024 return since they were applied to your 2023 taxes. For your current situation, since you had significant capital gains last year, you should consider making quarterly estimated tax payments for 2025 to avoid a similar situation. The IRS generally wants you to pay taxes as you earn income, and if you wait until filing time, you might face underpayment penalties.

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Ava Kim

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Thanks for explaining! I think I understand now. So basically those payments I made last year were just catching up on what I already owed, not prepaying for future taxes. One more question - should I be making estimated payments for this year's capital gains? I've made about $30,000 in gains so far and don't want another surprise tax bill.

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Yes, that's exactly right - those payments were just catching up on what you already owed for 2023, not prepaying for future taxes. For your current situation with $30,000 in capital gains already this year, you should definitely make estimated tax payments. The IRS expects you to pay taxes as you earn income. If you wait until filing time next year, you could face underpayment penalties. You can make these payments through the IRS Direct Pay system or using Form 1040-ES. Typically, estimated payments are due quarterly (April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 of the following year).

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Layla Mendes

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Just want to share my experience - I was in a similar situation last year with unexpected capital gains and got hit with a big tax bill plus penalties for not making estimated payments. I struggled to figure out how much to pay each quarter until I found https://taxr.ai which helped me analyze my trading patterns and calculate my estimated payments correctly. The tool analyzed my trading history and gave me clear guidance on exactly how much I needed to pay each quarter based on when I realized gains. It helped me understand the safe harbor rules too, so I could avoid penalties even with irregular income. Totally changed my approach to handling taxes on my investments.

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How accurate is it though? I've been using a spreadsheet to track my trades but I'm always worried I'm calculating things wrong. Does it connect directly to brokerage accounts or do you have to input everything manually?

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Aria Park

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I'm skeptical about these tax tools. How does it actually calculate the estimated payments? The IRS has those annoying rules about paying 100% of last year's tax or 90% of current year. Does it help figure out which one to aim for?

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Layla Mendes

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It's surprisingly accurate - I cross-checked with my accountant and it was spot-on. You can either connect it directly to most major brokerages (TD Ameritrade, Robinhood, etc.) or upload your trading CSV files if you prefer. The tool specifically addresses those IRS safe harbor rules you mentioned. It calculates both the 100% of last year's tax and the 90% of current year estimate, then recommends which threshold you should aim for based on your income patterns. It also adjusts the quarterly payment amounts if you had uneven income throughout the year, which saved me from overpaying in quarters where I didn't have significant gains.

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I tried taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here and it was exactly what I needed! I had a similar capital gains situation with about $45k in stock profits last year. The tool showed me I'd been massively underpaying my estimated taxes and would have been hit with penalties. What I found most helpful was how it broke down my annualized income by quarter. Turns out most of my gains happened in Q2, and the tool adjusted my payment schedule accordingly so I didn't have to overpay in other quarters. The safe harbor calculator feature saved me from paying too much - I just needed to hit 110% of my previous year's liability since my income was over the threshold. Honestly wish I'd found this sooner!

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Noah Ali

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Wait, you're saying this service somehow gets you through the IRS phone tree? How does that even work? Every time I call I just get told the wait time is 2+ hours and to call back later.

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Aria Park

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This sounds like BS honestly. IRS phone lines are notoriously impossible to get through. How could a third-party service possibly change how the IRS manages their call volume? Seems like a scam to take money from desperate people.

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Noah Ali

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It uses an automated system that navigates the IRS phone tree and waits on hold for you. When an actual agent picks up, it calls you and connects you directly. It's not bypassing anything - just handling the tedious waiting process. The reason it works better than calling yourself is that it can keep dialing and waiting even during times when you might give up. It basically just handles the frustrating part of the process. I was skeptical too but was desperate after trying for days to get answers about my estimated payments. The service actually called me when an agent was on the line, and I got my questions answered about how to handle my capital gains payments properly.

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Aria Park

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I have to eat my words about Claimyr. I tried it yesterday after posting that skeptical comment because I was desperate to figure out my estimated payment situation. It actually got me through to an IRS agent in about 40 minutes when I'd spent three days trying on my own with no luck. The agent explained that my payment plan payments from last year definitely aren't considered estimated payments for this year (just like the first commenter said). But they helped me set up proper quarterly payments for this year based on my expected capital gains. They also explained how to request abatement of some penalties I was charged last year due to a legitimate reason for underpayment. Would never have gotten this info without actually speaking to someone. Honestly worth every penny just for the stress relief of having my questions actually answered.

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if your W-2 job withholds enough tax, you might be able to cover your capital gains tax that way instead of making separate estimated payments. I had about $35k in capital gains last year and just increased my W-2 withholding at my day job by adjusting my W-4 to take out extra each paycheck. The IRS doesn't care how you pay as long as you meet the safe harbor rules (usually 90% of current year tax or 100% of previous year's tax).

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Ava Kim

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Wow that's actually really helpful! So if I adjust my withholding at my Target job to take out more each paycheck, that could cover the taxes for my stock trading too? How did you figure out how much extra to withhold?

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Exactly! The IRS just cares that you're paying throughout the year, not specifically how. To figure out how much extra to withhold, I took my expected capital gains ($35k) and multiplied by my tax rate (around 15% for long-term gains). That gave me roughly $5,250 extra tax I needed to withhold for the year. Since I get paid bi-weekly (26 paychecks), I divided $5,250 by the number of remaining pay periods. Then on my W-4, in Step 4(c) "Extra withholding," I put that per-paycheck amount. Much easier than tracking quarterly estimated payments! Just make sure you're withholding enough total to meet the safe harbor requirements.

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Olivia Harris

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Just want to make sure the OP and others understand capital gains taxes for 2025 filing. If you hold your investments for more than a year before selling (long-term capital gains), you get a much better tax rate (0%, 15%, or 20% depending on your income) than short-term gains (taxed as ordinary income). Making this distinction could literally save you thousands on your tax bill! I learned this the hard way when I day-traded some stocks and got hit with ordinary income rates on everything.

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This is so important! Also worth noting that if your total income (including capital gains) is under $47,025 for single filers or $94,050 for married filing jointly (for 2024 tax year), your long-term capital gains tax rate is 0%! I intentionally manage my income to stay in this bracket and pay zero federal tax on my gains.

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Caleb Bell

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Great advice from everyone here! Just want to add one more consideration for @Ava Kim - since you're working at Target and trading stocks, you might want to look into tax-loss harvesting if you have any losing positions. You can sell losing stocks to offset your capital gains, which reduces your overall tax liability. For example, if you made $30k in gains but also have $10k in unrealized losses, you could sell those losing positions to bring your taxable gains down to $20k. You can even carry forward losses beyond your gains (up to $3k per year against ordinary income). This strategy works best when combined with the estimated payment approaches others mentioned. Just make sure to avoid the wash sale rule - don't buy back the same or "substantially identical" securities within 30 days of selling for a loss, or the IRS will disallow the loss deduction.

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StarSailor

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This is really helpful advice about tax-loss harvesting! I'm new to all this tax stuff and hadn't heard of this strategy before. So if I understand correctly, I can sell some of my losing stocks before the end of the year to reduce the taxes I owe on my winning trades? Does this work even if the losing stocks are ones I still believe in long-term? Like, could I sell them for the tax benefit and then buy them back after the 30-day wash sale period you mentioned? Also, is there a deadline for doing this - like does it have to be done by December 31st to count for this tax year?

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