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Connor O'Reilly

How are crypto gains taxed when leaving the US with a Greencard?

Hey everyone, I'm in a bit of a complicated situation and could use some tax advice. I've had my Greencard for about 10 years now, but I'm planning to relocate to Singapore later this year (they have 0% tax on crypto gains which is pretty sweet). The thing is, I've accumulated a decent crypto portfolio over the years (mostly ETH and some altcoins) that's currently worth around $175k, and I'm thinking about selling during the upcoming bull market everyone's predicting for late 2025/early 2026. I've been doing some research and discovered that since I've been in the US for more than 8 of the last 15 years, I'm considered a "US person" for tax purposes. From what I understand, I'll still need to file US taxes while abroad, but I'm confused about whether I actually have to PAY taxes on crypto gains while living in Singapore, especially since there's a tax treaty between the US and Singapore. Has anyone gone through something similar? I'm also considering giving up my Greencard eventually (expatriating), but it seems like a massive headache with all the exit tax complications. Any advice would be super helpful!

Yara Khoury

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I've helped several clients through similar situations. When you're a US person for tax purposes (which you are based on the substantial presence test you mentioned), you're subject to US taxation on your worldwide income regardless of where you physically reside. Even with a tax treaty in place between the US and Singapore, cryptocurrency gains would typically still be taxable in the US. Tax treaties generally don't exempt investment income like capital gains from crypto - they're more focused on preventing double taxation on employment income and certain other specific categories. If you decide to expatriate (give up your green card), you'd need to consider the exit tax implications. If your net worth exceeds $2 million OR your average annual net tax liability over the past 5 years exceeds $171,000 (2023 figure), you'd be considered a "covered expatriate" subject to a deemed disposition tax on unrealized gains. One strategy some clients consider is selling crypto gradually before expatriating to manage the tax impact, or timing their departure with market conditions.

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Keisha Taylor

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Would renouncing affect future ability to visit the US? My parents still live there and I'd need to visit regularly.

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Yara Khoury

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Renouncing your green card doesn't automatically affect your ability to visit the US. You would simply need to apply for appropriate visitor visas or use visa waiver programs (depending on your citizenship) like any other non-immigrant visitor. If you're expatriating for tax purposes and meet the criteria of a "covered expatriate," there's a provision called the Reed Amendment that could potentially bar reentry, but it's very rarely enforced. Most former green card holders visit regularly without issues, though you might occasionally face additional questions at the border.

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Oliver Becker

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Emma Davis

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Beyond the tax implications, make sure you're aware of the reporting requirements! Even if you're in a 0% crypto tax country, as a US person you'll still need to file: - FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) for any foreign exchange accounts with over $10k - Form 8938 if your foreign financial assets exceed certain thresholds - Regular income tax returns reporting worldwide income Missing these can result in MASSIVE penalties even if you don't owe any actual tax. The penalties for non-filing can be worse than the tax itself.

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Thanks for mentioning this! Do hardware wallets count as foreign financial accounts for FBAR purposes? I have most of my crypto on a Ledger, not on exchanges.

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Emma Davis

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Currently, hardware wallets like Ledger generally don't trigger FBAR requirements because they're more like storing cash in a personal safe than having a financial account with an institution. You control the private keys directly without a third party. However, the rules around crypto are constantly evolving, so this could change. What definitely DOES count are exchange accounts with foreign-based exchanges like Binance International, Bitfinex, etc. If the aggregate value across all foreign financial accounts exceeds $10,000 at any point during the tax year, you need to file the FBAR.

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LunarLegend

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Have you considered the option of renouncing just before the 8-year mark? If you haven't hit that threshold yet, the exit tax situation is considerably simpler. It's worth looking at exactly where you are in that timeline.

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Malik Jackson

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Careful with this approach. The 8 year rule refers to having been a lawful permanent resident in at least 8 of the previous 15 tax years. It's not a consecutive clock that you can reset - it looks backward over the 15 year period.

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I went through a similar situation about 3 years ago when I moved to Dubai (also 0% crypto tax). The key thing to understand is that as long as you maintain your green card, you're stuck with US tax obligations regardless of any tax treaty benefits. What really caught me off guard was the timing aspect - if you're planning to sell during a bull market, you need to factor in estimated quarterly payments to the IRS even while living abroad. I made the mistake of thinking I could just settle up at year-end and got hit with underpayment penalties. Also, don't overlook state tax implications if you haven't properly established non-residency from your previous state. Some states (looking at you, California) are notoriously aggressive about claiming you still owe state taxes even after moving internationally. My advice: get professional help BEFORE you make any moves. The exit tax calculations are complex, and there are strategies around timing your departure and asset sales that can save you significant money. I wish I'd consulted a specialist earlier instead of trying to figure it out myself.

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