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Zoe Papadopoulos

How I Accidentally Loaned $10K Interest-Free to the IRS Last Filing Season

So I ended up with a hefty refund this past tax season that I wasn't expecting - basically loaned the government $10K interest-free. Frustrating! The main chunk came from the Clean Vehicle Credit ($7,500) which I honestly wasn't sure I'd qualify for until December when all the final guidance came out about income limits and eligible vehicles. The remaining balance was from Social Security tax overpayment from working multiple jobs last year - without that overpayment I actually would have owed money. While I'm annoyed at myself for essentially giving the IRS a free loan, the whole calculation was pretty complicated with the EV credit uncertainty and multiple income sources. I guess I'd rather have this outcome than owing thousands with penalties and interest. Planning to adjust my withholding so I get much closer to a zero balance for next filing season.

That EV tax credit can definitely throw a wrench in tax planning! The $7,500 Clean Vehicle Credit is substantial, and the qualification rules were changing throughout the year, making it really hard to predict. For future reference, you could file a new W-4 with your employer once you know you'll qualify for large credits like this. For the Social Security overpayment, that typically happens when you earn more than the Social Security wage base ($160,200 for 2023, $168,600 for 2024) across multiple employers. Each employer withholds the full 6.2% until they hit the wage base, not knowing you're also paying through another job. Next time, you might consider adjusting your withholding mid-year once you know about big credits or deductions. The IRS Tax Withholding Estimator on their website can help you dial it in pretty accurately!

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Does the W-4 have a specific line for adjusting for tax credits? I'm getting an EV this year and want to avoid the same issue.

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The W-4 doesn't have a specific line just for tax credits, but you can account for them in Step 3, which is labeled "Claim Dependents" but actually handles all tax credits. You can put your expected $7,500 EV credit amount there. Alternatively, if you don't want to share that specific information with your employer, you could use Step 4(c) to reduce your withholding by requesting an additional amount to be withheld. In this case, you'd calculate how much less you want withheld per paycheck and put a negative number. For example, if you get paid monthly, you might reduce your withholding by about $625 per month ($7,500 ÷ 12).

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I was in a similar situation with uncertainty about qualifying for tax credits and ended up using taxr.ai to help figure out my exact situation. I wasn't sure about the income limits for the EV credit or how to handle the Social Security overpayment calculations with multiple W-2s. I uploaded my docs to https://taxr.ai and their system analyzed everything and showed me exactly how to adjust my withholding to avoid giving the IRS an interest-free loan again. Way easier than trying to figure out all those calculations myself!

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Does it actually work for calculating withholding adjustments? I'm terrible at math and always end up with huge refunds I could've used during the year.

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I'm skeptical about these tax tools. How does it handle things like the EV credit phase-out based on income? Those thresholds are complicated.

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It absolutely works for withholding calculations - that's one of the main things I used it for. You upload your recent paystubs and it shows you exactly what to put on your W-4 to get closer to zero. It even generates the filled-out W-4 form you can give to your employer. As for the EV credit phase-out thresholds, it handles those perfectly. That's why I needed it - I was right on the edge of the income limit for the full credit. It shows you exactly where you fall in the phase-out range and calculates the partial credit if applicable. It's way more precise than the general IRS calculator.

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Just wanted to update after trying taxr.ai that the other commenter mentioned. My situation was really similar - had a $9k refund last year because I couldn't figure out the right withholding with the EV credit and some rental income. The tool actually showed me that I was withholding WAY too much and generated a new W-4 for me. My paycheck is about $340 bigger now each month! Wish I'd known about this sooner instead of waiting for a fat refund check once a year.

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Been there with tax credits causing huge refunds. After weeks of trying to reach the IRS to get clarification on how to properly adjust my withholding for the Clean Vehicle Credit, I found Claimyr (https://claimyr.com). Their service got me connected to an actual IRS agent in under 45 minutes instead of waiting on hold for hours. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c The agent walked me through exactly how to calculate my withholding with the EV credit factored in. Much better than the generic advice online that doesn't account for specific situations. Saved me from repeating the same mistake this year!

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Alright I need to eat my words. After being super skeptical about Claimyr, I tried it this morning because I've been trying for THREE WEEKS to get someone at the IRS to explain how to handle my EV tax credit situation with multiple jobs. Got connected to an agent in 28 minutes while I was making breakfast. The agent actually looked at my specific situation and calculated exactly what I needed to put on each W-4 to avoid another massive refund. Definitely worth it compared to the hours I wasted trying to get through on my own.

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Pro tip for anyone with the EV credit situation - you don't have to wait until tax time. I bought my EV in March last year and immediately adjusted my W-4 to account for the $7,500 credit. Instead of reducing withholding across the remaining 9 months by $833/month, I reduced it by $625/month to build in a small buffer just in case. Ended up with a tiny $380 refund instead of a massive one! Just divide the credit by your remaining pay periods and adjust accordingly.

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What about the Social Security overpayment though? I work two jobs and always end up overpaying. Is there a way to adjust for that during the year too?

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The Social Security overpayment is trickier because employers don't coordinate with each other. If you know your total earnings will exceed the Social Security wage base ($168,600 for 2024), you can estimate how much you'll overpay. The calculation is basically 6.2% of the amount you'll earn above the wage base across all jobs. Once you have that number, you can adjust your W-4 at your highest-paying job to compensate by adding that estimated overpayment amount to Step 3 of your W-4 or reducing the additional withholding in Step 4(c). Just be careful not to adjust so much that you end up owing a lot at tax time. It's usually safer to get a small refund than to owe penalties.

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Did anyone else notice OP mentioned they were "unsure if I'd qualify for [the EV credit] until late in the year"? This is a huge problem with the new Clean Vehicle Credit rules! I want to buy an EV but I'm self-employed with fluctuating income, so I have no idea if I'll be under the MAGI limits ($300k joint) until December. Should I just not claim it on my W-4 and get a big refund to be safe?

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I'm planning on erring on the side of caution. If your income might put you over the threshold, don't adjust your withholding for the credit. Better to get a refund than owe penalties. You could also do a partial adjustment if you're fairly confident you'll get at least some of the credit.

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