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Help with Filing Form 5329 for Past Year Excess Roth IRA Contributions

I need some help figuring out how to properly file Form 5329 for a past year. I've done a ton of research online and even talked to a tax person, but still have some confusion. Here's what happened: My husband and I got married in 2023 and filed jointly. I put $6,500 into my Roth IRA for 2023 ($2,000 during 2023 and the remaining $4,500 in March 2024). We just realized last month (January 2025) that our combined income was actually over the Roth IRA limit for 2023 since we filed jointly. We've already withdrawn the $6,500 excess contribution from the Roth IRA last month. I understand I need to file Form 5329 and pay the 6% penalty for the time the excess contribution was in the account. For 2023 tax year, I plan to complete the 2023 Form 5329, fill out Part IV with the 6% penalty ($390), pay the penalty online, and mail in the 2023 Form 5329 by itself. The form instructions are confusing me though. Form 5329 says to fill out "Name of Individual subject to additional tax. If married filing jointly, see instructions." I'm not sure whose name to put here since we filed jointly. Do I put just my name since it was my Roth IRA, or both our names? Also, do I need to file separate 5329 forms for 2023 and 2024 since the money was in there during both years? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

The Form 5329 should be filed with just your name as the "Individual subject to additional tax" since it was your Roth IRA that had the excess contribution. Even though you filed jointly for your regular tax return, the Form 5329 penalty applies specifically to you as the account owner. You are correct that you'll need to file the 2023 Form 5329 and pay the 6% penalty ($390) for that year. And yes, you should also file a separate 2024 Form 5329 since the excess contribution remained in the account during 2024 as well, which means another 6% penalty applies. The good news is that by withdrawing the excess in January 2025, you won't need to file a 2025 Form 5329 for this issue. When filing these forms separately (not with your regular tax return), make sure to include your SSN and attach a check for payment if you're not paying online. Also include a brief letter explaining that these are standalone filings for excess IRA contributions.

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Thanks for this info. Quick question - does the filer need to include copies of their original tax returns from those years when submitting the separate Form 5329s? Also, can both years' 5329 forms be mailed together in the same envelope or should they be sent separately?

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You don't need to include copies of your original tax returns when submitting the separate Form 5329s. The form can stand alone with just your information and explanation. You can mail both years' 5329 forms together in the same envelope for convenience. Just make sure each form is clearly labeled for its respective tax year and include a brief cover letter explaining what you're submitting. If you're including checks for payment, write the tax year and "Form 5329" in the memo line of each check.

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One thing I learned the hard way - make sure you're using the correct version of Form 5329 for each tax year. They update the form yearly and the line numbers sometimes change. I filed with the wrong year's form once and had to redo everything. For 2023, use the 2023 version, and for 2024, use the 2024 version of the form. Also, document EVERYTHING. Keep records of when you made the excess contribution, when you withdrew it, and any correspondence with your IRA provider. The IRS sometimes comes back with questions years later.

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Thanks for this tip! How do I make sure I'm getting the correct version of the form for each year? Should I just Google "Form 5329 2023" and "Form 5329 2024" or is there a better way to ensure I'm getting the official forms?

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Always go directly to IRS.gov and search for the form by name and year. For example, search "Form 5329 2023" on the IRS website. This ensures you're getting the official form. Avoid using tax preparation websites to download forms as they sometimes have outdated versions. The safest approach is to go to https://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/about-form-5329 and then select the specific year you need from their archive. Each year's form will have the tax year printed right at the top, so double-check that before filling it out.

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Does anyone know if there's a way to get a waiver or reduction of the 6% penalty? My spouse and I had almost the identical situation (excess Roth contributions for 2 years before catching it), and we ended up paying nearly $800 in penalties. I've heard rumors there's some kind of "reasonable cause" exception but couldn't find clear info.

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From what I understand, the 6% excess contribution penalty is one of the few penalties the IRS almost never waives. It's considered a strict liability penalty, unlike some other penalties that have reasonable cause exceptions. Your best bet is always to fix excess contributions ASAP to minimize the years you have to pay it.

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Just want to add a clarification about the penalty calculation that might help. The 6% penalty is calculated monthly, not annually, so if you withdrew the excess contribution in January 2025, you'd pay the full 6% for 2023 (since the money was in there the whole year) and 6% for 2024 (again, the whole year), but nothing for 2025 since you corrected it in January. Also, make sure when you withdrew the $6,500 that you also withdrew any earnings attributable to that excess contribution. If there were earnings, those need to be included in the withdrawal and will be taxable income for the year you withdraw them (2025 in your case). The IRS can be picky about this, so double-check with your IRA provider that they calculated the earnings correctly when processing your withdrawal. One more thing - since you're married filing jointly, make sure your 2024 income doesn't also put you over the Roth IRA contribution limits. You'll want to check this before making any 2024 contributions to avoid the same issue again.

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This is really helpful information about the earnings calculation! I'm curious - when you mention that earnings attributable to the excess contribution need to be withdrawn, how exactly do IRA providers calculate those earnings? Is it based on the overall account performance during the time the excess was in there, or is there a specific formula they use? I want to make sure my provider did this correctly since I don't want any issues down the road with the IRS.

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IRA providers typically use what's called the "net income attributable" (NIA) formula to calculate earnings on excess contributions. The basic calculation is: (Excess Contribution / Account Balance on Contribution Date) × (Account Balance on Withdrawal Date - Account Balance on Contribution Date). So if you contributed $6,500 excess to an account worth $10,000, and the account grew to $12,000 by withdrawal, the earnings would be: ($6,500/$10,000) × ($12,000-$10,000) = 0.65 × $2,000 = $1,300 in attributable earnings. Most reputable IRA providers will automatically calculate this when you request an excess contribution withdrawal and provide you with a statement showing both the returned contribution and the earnings amount. However, I'd definitely recommend asking for documentation of their calculation method to keep with your records, especially since you'll need to report those earnings as taxable income on your 2025 return.

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One important thing to keep in mind for future years - consider doing a backdoor Roth conversion instead of direct Roth IRA contributions if your income is close to or over the limits. Since you're married filing jointly and exceeded the 2023 Roth IRA income limits, you likely will again in future years. With a backdoor Roth, you'd contribute to a traditional IRA (no income limits for contributions, though you won't get a deduction) and then convert it to Roth. Just make sure you don't have any other traditional IRA balances that would complicate the pro-rata rule calculations. Also, for your current situation, double-check that your IRA provider reported the excess contribution withdrawal correctly on the 1099-R they'll send you for 2025. The distribution code should indicate it was an excess contribution return, which affects how it's taxed. This will be important when you file your 2025 return next year.

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Great point about the backdoor Roth strategy! I'm definitely going to look into that for future years since we'll likely be over the income limits again. Quick question though - when you mention not having other traditional IRA balances that would complicate the pro-rata rule, does that include old 401k rollovers that I might have sitting in a traditional IRA? I have about $15k from a previous employer's 401k that I rolled into a traditional IRA a few years ago. Would that affect the backdoor Roth conversion calculations?

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